After a few days of fact finding and debate, do you now support or oppose the Dubai Ports deal?

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[jan in Colorado]

Support!

[GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos]

Support

[McGavin999]

The only thing that would make this more entertaining is if the UAE decided to form a Joint Venture partnership with Halliburton and Wal-Mart. :o)

[bonfire]

I think I just woke up the whole house! LOLOL!

[Howlin]

Hey, we can dream, can't we?

[McGavin999]

I think I'll make that my tag line.

[Flux Capacitor]

They're not biting, ma'am, so kindly cut the drama-queen crap. Anyone who's paid attention to your posts over any number of controversies such as this knows that you always come down on the side of George W. Bush, no matter how many contortions you have to go through to arrive at a conclusion that leaves him sparkling like a Turtle Waxed '56 Chevy. I have never seen you speak a word that put the lie to your own screen name, so don't accuse ME falsely of accusing YOU falsely. People here have been calling me a racist all week for my position on this fiasco and you don't see me breaking down and calling for the mods.

I see member support for Bush on this issue has slipped down to 52%. Composite opinion is now barely a majority. These are your fans, George; you're going to have to do better than this, or it's going to be Harriet Miers all over again....

-Dan

[de Buillion]

"Today's Fox headline story also references 21 ports: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,186044,00.html"

I took a look at this reference of yours. I saw in line 1, and in line 15, references to SIX PORTS. Nowhere in the article that you referenced did I see 21 ports. As I said before, the reference to 21 ports seems to be erroneous. (This number might be their worldwide management of ports)

[de Buillion]

"I see member support for Bush on this issue has slipped down to 52%."

You are mis-stating the history. Support for Bush is @ 52.3%, UP FROM 34%.

[Flux Capacitor]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48991

22 ports in Arab deal,
not just 6 as reported
Scope of Dubai firm to stretch from Maine to Gulf of Mexico

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Posted: February 24, 2006
3:00 p.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D.
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Dubai Ports World is scheduled to take over operations at 22 U.S. ports, not six as previously reported by most major media.

According to the website of P&O Ports, the port-operations subsidiary of the London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co. (P&O), DPW will pick up stevedore services at 12 East Coast ports including Portland, Maine; Boston; Davisville, R.I.; New York; Newark; Philadelphia; Camden, N.J.; Wilmington, Del.; Baltimore, Md.; and Virginia locations at Newport News, Norfolk, and Portsmouth.

Additionally, DPW will take over P&O stevedoring operations at nine ports along the Gulf of Mexico including the Texas ports of Beaumont, Port Arthur, Galveston, Houston, Freeport, and Corpus Christi, plus the Louisana ports of Lake Charles and New Orleans.

Previously reported have only been P&O Ports' container operations at New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Miami, and New Orleans. Stevedore services also typically involve the loading and unloading of containers on and off cargo ships, as well as moving and storing containers, though often in separate facilities from where containers are initially loaded and unloaded from the cargo ships. Thus, while DPW will be operating the container terminal operations of only the six ports initially disclosed, DPW will be managing stevedore services, handling containers at a total of 21 ports, located along the Eastern seaboard from Maine to Virginia, and across the Gulf of Mexico from Texas to Louisiana.

Additionally, the website of P&O Ports North America lists that P&O provides container services at the Port of Miami, through a subsidiary identified as P&O Ports Florida, Inc. This brings to 22 the total number of American ports where DPW will be acquiring P&O operations. On Jan. 24, P&O Ports North America and the Tampa Port authority announced they reached an agreement to enter into a long-term contract permitting P&O to operate terminals at the Port of Tampa for general and refrigerated cargo. By acquiring P&O internationally, DPW will pick up all P&O operating agreements, including this one just concluded in Tampa. (.pdf file)

The website of P&O Ports North America brags that "P&O Ports North America is now the largest independent stevedore and terminal operator on the U.S. East and Gulf coasts with operations in most ports from Maine to Texas."

In reality, DPW is a front-company 100 percent owned by the government of Dubai. The nearly $7 billion in debt financing put together by international bankers to finance the DPW acquisition of P&O was predicated on the A1 Moody's rating of the government of Dubai, plus the assurance that the "full faith and credit" of the government of Dubai would guarantee 100 percent repayment of all loans and interest payments required to debt finance this leveraged acquisition.

As WND is reporting today, new polling information reveals only 17 percent of Americans favor the deal to turn over control of U.S. ports to a state-sponsored company in the United Arab Emirates, and shows a major blow to President Bush's perceived leadership in the war on terror.

[Flux Capacitor]

That's funny, 'cause last time I checked the same poll yesterday afternoon, member support was over 55%.

At any rate, support among the general public is somewhere down around 17%. With a sample of Bush's biggest supporters only in the 50 percent range, that sounds about right.

-Dan

[ohioWfan]

I didn't come down on the side of CFR. I don't side with President Bush on immigration. I didn't support the Farm Bill, or other pork barrel bills, and I didn't support the prescription drug entitlement.

The problem with you, Flux, and your gang members here, is that you think that your perception is reality.

Perhaps calling you a 'liar' is too strong. You're just ignorant.

Just don't speak ignorantly again about me, and we'll be fine. And pay closer attention to what I actually say, and not what you THINK I say, and you'll see that your perception isn't accurate.

My husband and I both opposed this deal to begin with, and talked about it often, but were persuaded by the FACTS that it is not what the media presented it to be. So we both, along with many others who trust the CHARACTER of the Commander in Chief, did some investigating, and changed our minds.

Now, please refrain from saying things that are not true about me again on this forum. Is that OK with you? Because if you continue to do so having been informed of the facts, you WILL be lying, and not just stating your errant perceptions.

[ohioWfan]

btw, I'm still upset that he signed CFR. Stupid, STUPID thing.

[ex-snook]

Not only do I agree with you but your comments are worth reposting in case they were missed.
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"Still opposed.

I'm so tired of hearing,"Americans won't do "it', American's CAN'T do it. I was dead set against Carter giving away the Panama Canal, I was appauled when I learned many of our National PARKS AND HISTORICAL sites, as in the Liberty Bell etc. are now under the direction of the UN, of all outfits....oh I forgot Yellowstone Park.

Before you label me some kind of bigot or racist, let me say, I'm AGAINST ANY foreign country running our ports. I'm tired of our own gov., that means Dem's and Rep's helping to weaken our NATIONAL strength by their actions concerning our industrial base being outsourced,refusing to gain control of our borders, being at the beck and call of big business, so they can have their cheap labor.

Has anyone thought about what we'd do if threatened by another country like China or who ever.....we don't make anything in this country, all we're good for is consuming what the rest of the world sends in to us.

I'm prepared to be flamed big time on this one, but I'll tell ya, I'm over 70 and I can remember when our country was vibrant, self sufficient,and had some semblance of control over what direction she was going. Of course that was long before World trade was the mantra, and NAFTA, CAFTA, talk of doing away with the borders, and not to be forgotten....POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. That last one will be the undoing of our nation as we've know it."

------------------Thanks Molly

[papasmurf]

I support free trade.

Therefore, I support this transaction. That said, I am strongly opposed to outsourcing anything to do with our infrastructure.

That said (LOL), at this time it is legal to do so, and Dubai is worthy of our support and respect.

I plan on visiting Dubai this fall.

:O)

P

[papasmurf]

Do you know the difference between a stevadore company and a terminal operator?


I thought not.

:O)

P

[Flux Capacitor]

Since you don't even seem to be capable of spelling "stevedore", I could just as easily ask you if you know what one is. :)

-Dan

[papasmurf]

I love it when people fault a spelling error in order to evade the obvious.



:O)

P

[Old_Mil]

Oppose because with oversight and management comes access, and access in the hands of Muslims brings with it an increased risk of terrorist attack.

[jonrick46]

I support. I'm tired of the debate.