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Hawks have warplanes ready if the nuclear diplomacy fails
The Times ^ | February 7, 2006 | Richard Beeston

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:03:02 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: Btrp113Cav

You couldn't ask for a more obnoxious provocateur--together with the Democrats' campaigning for terrorists' rights, we have excellent propaganda--provided by our avowed enemies.


61 posted on 02/06/2006 7:12:00 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“An air strike against the uranium conversion facility at Esfahan would inflame Muslim anger, rally the Iranian public around an otherwise unpopular government.

I don't care if we inflame them as long as we cow them.

So9

62 posted on 02/06/2006 7:12:26 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Fred Hayek

It's a damn good thing the Soviet Union isn't around anymore. They can't afford to provide protection, military equipment, and logistics like they did during the six day war to the arab coalition. I know deep down in their Russkie hearts they want to give Iran all this high-tech military equipment, but can't muster the funds and the means to help them defend themselves... Thank goodness all they can do is bitch and possibly send some drunk advisors like they did in Iraq prior 2003.


63 posted on 02/06/2006 7:13:10 PM PST by Btrp113Cav
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To: West Coast Conservative

Oh, the Carnegie Endowment for Peace. Great. Just great.


64 posted on 02/06/2006 7:13:11 PM PST by hershey
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To: West Coast Conservative
US forces virtually surround Iran with military air bases to the west in Afghanistan, to the east in Iraq, Turkey and Qatar and the south in Oman and Diego Garcia.

God I love strategery!! This is why I elected GWB... Iraq... hell, I always wanted the whole of Persia pacified.
65 posted on 02/06/2006 7:13:18 PM PST by Porterville (They took our jobs!!! Der dook er jibs!!! Deer took er jabs!!!)
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To: Porterville

AMEN... GOD BLESS THE USA AND GWB!!!


66 posted on 02/06/2006 7:14:21 PM PST by Btrp113Cav
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To: Porterville

It's a damn good thing the Soviet Union isn't around anymore. They can't afford to provide protection, military equipment, and logistics like they did during the six day war to the arab coalition. I know deep down in their Russkie hearts they want to give Iran all this high-tech military equipment, but can't muster the funds and the means to help them defend themselves... Thank goodness all they can do is bitch and possibly send some drunk advisors like they did in Iraq prior 2003.


67 posted on 02/06/2006 7:14:53 PM PST by Btrp113Cav
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To: PhilDragoo
* Raptor aircraft are being delivered to and are flying at Langley AFB, Va. The 1st Fighter Wing's 27th Fighter Squadron of Air Combat Command is the first operational squadron to fly the F-22 Raptor.

27th FW is of which I was referring to above -

68 posted on 02/06/2006 7:15:31 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: PhilDragoo

Low flying aircraft, care for a haircut??


69 posted on 02/06/2006 7:16:47 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: konahawk

Right. Nor can I imagine a scenario that doesn't lead to war. The only question is when, and how big. Generally, the later, the bigger.


70 posted on 02/06/2006 7:17:05 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: West Coast Conservative

Negotiations failed a long time ago. This conflict is inevitable, and you can be the logistics are in the works. Without fanfare, we'll just turn on the news sometime in the next few weeks and learn that bombing has begun.


71 posted on 02/06/2006 7:17:25 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: manwiththehands
>>>...strap a nuke warhead to a conventional bunker-buster. I could probably do that

You could probably do that...but it probably wouldn't work!

Conventional nukes are designed for air or early impact bursts. It is a whole 'nother ball of worms to harden the timer and implosion mechanism that triggers the reaction to withstand the 100's of G's of deceleration a bunker buster requires and still be intact and functional.

72 posted on 02/06/2006 7:25:41 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: manwiththehands

Looks like we got enough bunker busters for the job. From tonyrogers.com:

Above is a B-61 Gravity Fall Nuclear Weapon in various stages of assembly. It is configured to be dropped from the B-1B Lancer, B-2 Spirit and F-16C Falcon platforms. A new model was updated in 1997 and kicks more ass than I ever want to know about. There are currently 750 Model B61-7 weapons in the U.S.A.F. stockpile. The mission-specific 1,200-pound B61-11 "bunker buster" replaces the B53, a 8,900-pound, nine-megaton bomb that was developed as a "city buster" and was later designated as a substitute for an earth-penetrating weapon.

The B53 was deliverable only by vulnerable B-52s; in contrast, the smaller and lighter B61-11 can be delivered by the stealthier B-2A bomber, or even by F-16C fighters. The B53 was the highest-yield weapon in the U.S. arsenal. Although not a true earth-penetrating weapon, it was believed capable of taking out underground targets through brute force. When fuzed for a ground burst, a small percentage of its energy would be transmitted through ground and rock to buried installations. Even a small percentage of nine megatons is a lot of destructive power. In contrast, the B61-11 offers a variable range of yields, the highest of which is only a fraction of the B53's. But because it can pierce deeply into the earth, "ground coupling" its energy output to efficiently produce a shock wave, the B61-11 is more efficient at destroying heavily fortified underground structures, enabling it to threaten the same deep targets as the B53.

Meanwhile, the B61-11's lower yields enhance its credibility as a deterrent. The B53 was too big and too "dirty" to use. Its use would have caused a massive amount of collateral damage above ground. The new B61-7, from which the B61-11 is made, has a selectable yield ranging from 0.3 to about 340 kilotons. It was first placed in service in 1985, and super-modified in 1997. (The original B61 entered the stockpile in 1968.) The B61-7 can be fuzed for air or surface bursts, and has a hardened ground-penetrator nose system with a retarded contact-burst fuzing option. It can be dropped with or without a parachute, making it deployable from B-1B, B-2 Spirit or F-16C aircraft. Delivery would be made from aircraft traveling at near supersonic speeds to avoid heat and shock effects. It is assumed that F-16C Falcon pilots would be able to start afterburners and accelerate far enough away from the impact site to survive the detonation of the weapon despite their small size.


73 posted on 02/06/2006 7:25:49 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: DevSix
>>>Incorrect - The first FW flying F-22 is currently active<<<

Good news - thanks.

74 posted on 02/06/2006 7:27:05 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: West Coast Conservative
This is pacifist rhetoric, when the time comes for action, and it will, they will rely on us to keep them safe in their 5th Avenue townhouses.

When diplomacy fails, and it will against these maniacs, there is only one thing to do. Lock and load! Get ready to go to war and kill the enemy, because if you don't he will surely kill you!

These people will never learn. You can't pacify these people, they are NUTS. If you don't comprehend that, you are as NUTS as they are. Stand up and serve, or sit down and STFUp. The time for your precious diplomacy has come and gone. Now it's time for force.

75 posted on 02/06/2006 7:29:14 PM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Finally, the strike would not, as it often said, delay the Iranian programme. It would almost certainly speed it up,” he wrote in an article."

That's BS.

76 posted on 02/06/2006 7:30:20 PM PST by blam
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To: COEXERJ145

Sorry to offend you , I didnt realise you owned the thrad.


77 posted on 02/06/2006 7:30:57 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: COEXERJ145

Sorry to offend you , I didnt realise you owned the thread.


78 posted on 02/06/2006 7:31:07 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: xzins

And the Mexican Army crossing over into America , and the terrorists allowed to enter the same way isnt a problem. I see.


79 posted on 02/06/2006 7:33:08 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002
We have to have the Democrats in this country not only vote for the war like last time, but submit an affadavit that they will not bad mouth the President for doign what they all agreed had to be done.

Then Congress has to declare war, plain and simple. No going to the UN, no more worthless "resolutions", just do it by the book so that everyone's on record and all the i's are dotted and t's crossed so we can truly take the gloves off and kick some serious @ss.

80 posted on 02/06/2006 7:33:35 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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