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Hawks have warplanes ready if the nuclear diplomacy fails
The Times ^ | February 7, 2006 | Richard Beeston

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:03:02 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: infowarrior

Agree.....acton will be coming fairly soon. I also agree with those that think air strikes can do the job. No need for boots on the ground for this one. My apologies to grunts everywhere.


141 posted on 02/08/2006 12:54:52 AM PST by rrrod
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To: Finalapproach29er
Waiting till Spring. Then home heating oil won't be a factor

I was wondering if that was part of the planning. Hitting them in the spring gives us a good 6 months to get things hammered out before having to worry about people freezing to death.

It would flatten the summer travel season but thats not a life or death issue like heat is.

LQ

142 posted on 02/08/2006 5:06:03 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Light Speed

oh dont show them this one, they'll start rioting again,,,</sacr>


143 posted on 02/08/2006 5:54:49 AM PST by APRPEH (vouchers NOW)
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To: tet68

"Diplomats have never stopped a war yet."

What the Carnegie peace guy is really saying is [in his worldview] it will be diplomats that stop Iran from making the bomb, or else we will just go ahead and let Iran make the bomb.

There is a huge amount of denial going on here. I still read news reports that define the issue as one of "dual use" technology, as though it remains it doubt whether Iran, if permitted the equipment to make the bomb, might actually do so.

There is a similar fantastic belief amoung peaceniks that if we merely get diplomats with sufficient skill, understanding and empathy, a peaceful solution can be worked out, and the only reason for failure would be that our diplomats are inferior to the task. This belief has the added bonus that when diplomacy fails, it will be "our fault".

Iran's statements over the past few weeks have made it crystal clear that, aside from the notion of national sovereignity, which Iran claims as a basis for everything it is doing, Iran cares nothing for international law, international opinion, or any norms of civilized behavior.


144 posted on 02/08/2006 7:19:55 AM PST by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Good...I was hoping the Seahawks wouldn't take that Super Bowl jobbing without a fight.


145 posted on 02/08/2006 7:21:36 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Salem
I thought it was a perfect example of the peacekeeping capabilities of judicious—but overwhelming—use of force.

Overwhelming use of force is key. I'd have every bomber in the arsenal up and dump as much ordance as was used in the first three weeks of the Iraq war. Screw the sites up so much that it would take years to repair - even if the underground portions are largely intact. Can't run equipment without power, support or even access.

146 posted on 02/08/2006 7:35:31 AM PST by Godzilla (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: manwiththehands

"It's my understanding we might have to use nukes. Iran has buried most of their nuclear processing facilities deeper than our best conventional bunker-busters can penetrate."

The interesting thing is that if we attack Iran, the leadership will be in one such bunker. Seal em off with 1/2 mile of concrete on top of them and their nuke bunkers, cut off all communication to the outside world, install new government and control of armed services, a year later Iran's new army 'unearths' the mullahs and what is left of their bomb project.


147 posted on 02/13/2006 10:30:41 AM PST by quant5
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To: quant5
All that sand would turn to glass. You won't need concrete! :-)
148 posted on 02/13/2006 12:27:22 PM PST by manwiththehands (Repeal the 17th Amendment. NOW.)
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To: manwiththehands

Send the pentagon a copy of "Hunt for Red October" and plan a way to make it look like a "nuclear reactor accident".


149 posted on 02/13/2006 12:35:34 PM PST by princess leah
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To: MinorityRepublican

Lieberman is going to be key here. No rational Jew is going to have any illusions about what an Iranian nuclear bomb will mean in practical terms.

Pray like it is in God's hands, prepare as if He doesn't exist.


150 posted on 02/13/2006 1:27:10 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (If stupidity were painful, liberals would be extinct)
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To: manwiththehands

"All that sand would turn to glass. You won't need concrete! :-)"

Yeah but wishful thinking is not the true reality on the ground. We will not use nukes unless we are attacked with a WMD from Iran first. The fallout would certainly effect a wide swath of the population and most likely other neighboring countries. We do not want a million dead from radiation.


151 posted on 02/14/2006 9:28:43 AM PST by quant5
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To: manwiththehands
It won't be F-15's. It will be F-22's, precision-guided bombs and nuclear bunker-busters.

I wonder how many cruise missiles it would take to get all their sites?

I tend to think that a massive cruise missile strike (literally hundreds incoming at once) would mean the entire thing would be over and done in hours, not days.

152 posted on 02/14/2006 9:32:28 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: HardStarboard
Conventional nukes are designed for air or early impact bursts. It is a whole 'nother ball of worms to harden the timer and implosion mechanism that triggers the reaction to withstand the 100's of G's of deceleration a bunker buster requires and still be intact and functional.

So you shoot a conventional bunker buster, followed by a baby nuke. Just let the second one fly down the hole the first one makes.

153 posted on 02/14/2006 9:34:26 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: rrrod
My apologies to grunts everywhere.

Speaking as a former grunt, let me say this: NEVER send a man where you can send a bullet.

154 posted on 02/14/2006 9:39:31 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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