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The Many Directions of Time
http://www.stanford.edu/~afmayer/ ^ | 1 February 2006 | Alexander Franklin Mayer

Posted on 02/05/2006 1:48:11 PM PST by ckilmer

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To: RightWhale
"There is no particular reason why reality should conform to math."

In your philosophy, is not math more real than reality?

Reality has umbras and penumbras. Math has points and lines, and in fact, the only true equalities to be found.

81 posted on 02/05/2006 6:28:34 PM PST by NicknamedBob (And then I sat down and I wrote this report, ‘cause I knew that you’d want all the facts.)
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To: ckilmer

I keep running out of time


82 posted on 02/05/2006 6:32:49 PM PST by woofie
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To: NicknamedBob

No. The realest thing in my world is law. That is one of the few things we have somehow created all by ourselves.


83 posted on 02/05/2006 6:33:02 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale

Surely you must at least be speaking of Scientific Law.

Created law as in that which men live by is no more real or permanent than the dew of the morning.


84 posted on 02/05/2006 6:37:21 PM PST by NicknamedBob (And then I sat down and I wrote this report, ‘cause I knew that you’d want all the facts.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Civil law is as real as it gets. When I drive my ford down the road into town, where other people see trees and sidewalks, I see legal property lines. Real estate is called real for a reason. It is real, maybe the only reality.


85 posted on 02/05/2006 6:39:46 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale

Oh man, are you delusional!


86 posted on 02/05/2006 6:40:56 PM PST by NicknamedBob (And then I sat down and I wrote this report, ‘cause I knew that you’d want all the facts.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

There is not past or present, only an infinitesimal tiny ever-present present.


87 posted on 02/05/2006 6:43:22 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: NicknamedBob

I am an attorney, if that makes me delusional.


88 posted on 02/05/2006 6:44:15 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Bear_Slayer

>At a basic level time exists, otherwise everything would happen at once.

And it does.

There exists only a constant present.


89 posted on 02/05/2006 6:46:25 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: TheBrotherhood

See? There is only now. The future is a guess, and for that matter so is the past.


90 posted on 02/05/2006 6:48:20 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale
"I am an attorney, if that makes me delusional."

It may, or it may not.

In American Plains Indian society, crossed sticks on the teepee’s entrance were a “lock.” You could not enter.

Our civil law “property rights” are just as flimsy, especially these days. The legal fabric of our property protection is threadbare and dry-rotted.

Hardly more substantial than cobwebs. I’ll stick to my created realities, thank you. One of these days, I might get somewhere.

91 posted on 02/05/2006 6:50:02 PM PST by NicknamedBob (And then I sat down and I wrote this report, ‘cause I knew that you’d want all the facts.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Property rights would be strong as steel if you were the 'right' kind of entity. Even the ACLU protects corporation property rights.


92 posted on 02/05/2006 6:52:00 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: VadeRetro
e e cummings stole my theory!!??

Don't be too angry; after all, somebody stole his capital letters and punctuation.

93 posted on 02/05/2006 7:11:11 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: RightWhale
That's one of the many faces of energy. Mechanics is not the whole story anymore.

It's still the scientific definition of energy, unless there's a more updated one that you can cite.

94 posted on 02/05/2006 7:13:48 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: ckilmer

Time is nature's way of making sure everything doesn't happen at once!

Mark


95 posted on 02/05/2006 7:16:16 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Interesting. Sounds like how the 'five different theories' problem of String Theory was solved; all part of the same theory, but looking at it from different directions.


96 posted on 02/05/2006 8:33:50 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Abortion)
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To: RightWhale

The TIME PRIZE : $10,000 in small, unmarked bills in a brown paper bag to the first person who demonstrates a time event that is not a kinetic energy event...


97 posted on 02/05/2006 9:39:16 PM PST by timer
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To: RightWhale

Yeah, but you're only renting real estate from God (or the supreme being of your choice, or the universe), you don't really own it.


98 posted on 02/06/2006 7:04:40 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: timer

The trick is that the bills are all from the United States of Western America del Sur year 2041.


99 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:55 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: PatrickHenry; RightWhale
Not too long ago, people thought the Earth was flat,

I'm not pleased by any reiteration of that particular irrational and easily debunked fallacy, and its inclusion in the intro to what purports to be scholarly work causes me to view that work's claims to scholarship with great suspicion.

100 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:02 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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