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Posted on 02/03/2006 3:38:06 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: libertarianben
He knew they couldn't win which would make them look, how should I say this, bad. Do you honestly think that if the trial had continued, the U.S. Attorney couldn't have found 12 Unionist men in all of Virginia to pack a jury with? There would have been no question at all, Davis tried would have been Davis convicted.
Comment #142 Removed by Moderator
To: detsaoT
Thanks for a civil and rewarding discussion.
143
posted on
02/05/2006 7:25:28 AM PST
by
LS
To: sangrila
SORRY. WRONG ANSWER!
secession is ONE of the powers of the States, which was NOT ceded to the central government.
check out the TENTH Amendment to the BOR.
lincoln, the TYRANT & WAR CRIMINAL, & his coven of cronies cared about just TWO things: POLITICAL POWER & MONEY.
lincoln was NO better person than wee willie klintoon.
free dixie,sw
144
posted on
02/05/2006 9:08:51 AM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
To: Non-Sequitur
NOT "sketchy".
i have been IN the underground "holding facility" (most people would call it a DUNGEON!), where the "treasonous editors & pressmen" were kept by lincoln.
there is a list of the persons "detained" available for public inspection. it is NOT a nice place!
MANY other "members of the 4th estate" were abused/tortured/starved/denied medical attention/murdered at Point Lookout (MD) DEATH CAMP. the list of those UNfortunates is also on display at PLPOWC.
free dixie,sw
145
posted on
02/05/2006 9:15:21 AM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
To: sangrila
and the Constitution says that WHERE???
free dixie,sw
146
posted on
02/05/2006 9:16:22 AM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
To: Non-Sequitur
actually, CSA "currency" was NOT "money", per se, but rather was "notes payable after the conclusion" of the war between the USA & CSA.(in point of fact, each note specifically STATED that fact on the "face".)
the fact that those notes were accepted as money does NOT change what they actually WERE.
free dixie,sw
147
posted on
02/05/2006 9:20:31 AM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
To: LS
in other words you think that the God-given RIGHTS, guaranteed by the Constitution, should be subservient to political expediency OR that those RIGHTS can be "set aside" at the whim of any POTUS???
i think NOT.
IF what you say is true, we are potentially no better off than Argentina, circa 1950.
free dixie,sw
148
posted on
02/05/2006 9:26:46 AM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
To: stand watie; LS
How right you are sir! The rights given to us by GOD --they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights--are ours every second of every day. We have the ability to give them away, but not the right to. That is why TJ wrote "to resist tyrants is to obey GOD". If "for our common defense" gives the government the right to choke off our liberties, it puts us in the position of needful resistance.
All any tyrant would need to do is declare war against an imagined enemy to rule over us forever.
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:05:02 AM PST
by
smug
(Tanstaafl)
To: Non-Sequitur
They tried but failed to do so. Most of the attorney quit the case because they knew they could not win.
150
posted on
02/05/2006 10:20:21 AM PST
by
libertarianben
(Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
To: libertarianben
They tried but failed to do so. Most of the attorney quit the case because they knew they could not win. I have no idea where you're getting your history from but the prosecution of Davis was handled by the Attorney General, first James Speed and then Henry Stanbury. And if the case against Davis was so weak then why did he not insist on a trial but instead took the out offered by Chase?
To: stand watie
actually, CSA "currency" was NOT "money", per se, but rather was "notes payable after the conclusion" of the war between the USA & CSA.(in point of fact, each note specifically STATED that fact on the "face".) I've seen a lot of pictures of confederate currency and every single one had "Pay to the bearer on demand" on the front, not "notes payable after the conculsion" or some such tripe. I'd ask for some examples of the currency you're talking about but I know better than to believe you would actually produce it.
Regardless of wording we can both agree that the money was worthless, right?
To: stand watie
i have been IN the underground "holding facility" (most people would call it a DUNGEON!), where the "treasonous editors & pressmen" were kept by lincoln. So tell us, what did Lincoln jail you for?
MANY other "members of the 4th estate" were abused/tortured/starved/denied medical attention/murdered at Point Lookout (MD) DEATH CAMP. the list of those UNfortunates is also on display at PLPOWC.
Drowned or shot in the back of the head?
To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad
Saying that Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union is like saying King George went to war in North America to preserve the British Royal government. Or that the south rebelled over tariffs?
Comment #155 Removed by Moderator
To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad
I covered that subject extensively in my interview on Fox News. Did you not see it? I did not.
To: stand watie
You, sir, are stuck in Argentina in your mind. Thank God, I am not, nor are the majority of freedom loving Americans. That's what obsession with a slave south will do to ya, though.
157
posted on
02/05/2006 12:19:27 PM PST
by
LS
To: LS
it was GRANT who issued orders to shut down Nashville papers and to arrest any editors who were still printing anti-Union stuff. And rightly so, there is no such thing as freedom of the press when you are occupying your enemy's territory.
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posted on
02/05/2006 12:22:23 PM PST
by
Casloy
To: libertarianben
Even though he was so against slavery that he allowed slave states to continue the practice that were loyal to the Union. As he often said, he would do whatever it took to save the union, including allowing slavery to continue. Lincoln was nothing if not a pragmatist. If you call him a tyrant simply because of what he did to preserve the union, I know of no other way to keep the south in the union short of doing many of the things he had to do. If you think he should have let the south secede then there is probably nothing to discuss since it would follow you would think he was a tyrant.
159
posted on
02/05/2006 12:25:37 PM PST
by
Casloy
To: libertarianben
No, the South was a constitutionally independent nation. He was not the President of it so he could not maker laws in a nation he did not rule. That is some of the goofiest logic I have ever read. The entire war was about whether the south had the right to secede the Union. The south was not a consititutionally independent nation, they seceded in what they were convinced was a legal way. The Federal government disagreed. That's why we went to war. At that point, like it or not, might makes right.
160
posted on
02/05/2006 12:29:42 PM PST
by
Casloy
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