UC Riverside Researchers Identify Clay as Major Contributor to Oxygen that Enabled Early Animal Life

University of California, Riverside ^ | February 2, 2006 | Iqbal Pittalwala

[Smittie]

"Clay made animal life possible on Earth ..."

And Gumby life and and Pokey life and ...

If only kids today had shows like Gumby instead of the garbage that passes for children entertainment.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"“This study shows how we can use principles developed from the study of modern environments to understand the very complex origin of life on our planet – studying a time in history that has left us only a scanty record of its conditions,”"

God spoke and it came from nothing to something. It is recorded in Genesis.

OR...

As was sung in the Sound of Music, "Nothing comes from nothing and nothing ever could."

ampu

[Doc Savage]

Darwinists grasp at straws,...wait, clay,..straw, sure, that's how the first adobe huts were built. Claymation you say?? Calling Mr. Bill!

[atlaw]

I thought that it started when a lightening bolt hit some dirty water which produced a piece of DNA or a cell or whatever. And then of course we ended up with Redwood trees, sharks, eagles, and people. At least that's what they taught in school. Totally logical.

You were taught that in school?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Cassius or Henry?

[dread78645]

"Nothing comes from nothing and nothing ever could."

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me

I'm not tryin' to be your hero
'Cause that zero is too cold for me, Brrr
I'm not tryin' to be your highness
'Cause that minus is too low to see, yeah

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
And I'm not stuffin'
> Believe you me Don't you remember I told ya
I'm a soldier in the war on poverty, yeah
Yes, I am

[VadeRetro]

We haven't had a thread on this issue for quite some time.

But the usual fingers are in the usual ears all the time. "It said 'clay!'"

[shuckmaster]

I was recently reading Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker which has a lot of good info about clay being a critical step to the beginning of life before DNA moved in and got the ball rolling. Great book I highly recommend!

[furball4paws]

Are you in the Smithsonian too?

[Coyoteman]

That "might" means it is just a guess, just a theory. And that's the mentally sane way to express legitimate scientific ideas that are not facts.

You have confused the definitions of three terms in only one sentence.

Try a scan through these definitions (from a google search):

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses." Addendum: "Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws." (Courtesy of VadeRetro.)

Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"

Guess: an opinion or estimate based on incomplete evidence, or on little or no information

Law: a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; "the laws of thermodynamics"

Assumption: premise: a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has been injured we can infer that he will not to play"

Model: a simplified framework designed to illuminate complex processes; a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; a physical or mathematical representation of a process that can be used to predict some aspect of the process

Speculation: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence)

Observation: any information collected with the senses

Data: factual information, especially information organized for analysis or used to reason or make decisions

Fact: when an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact

Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true; religious faith

Faith: the belief in something for which there is no evidence or logical proof; acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or reason

Dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof

Religion: (theistic): "1 the belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. in a personal God or gods entitled to obedience and worship. 2 the expression of this in worship. 3 a particular system of faith and worship." Non-Theistic: "The word religion has many definitions, all of which can embrace sacred lore and wisdom and knowledge of God or gods, souls and spirits. Religion deals with the spirit in relation to itself, the universe and other life. Essentially, religion is belief in spiritual beings. As it relates to the world, religion is a system of beliefs and practices by means of which a group of people struggles with the ultimate problems of human life."

Impression: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying"

Opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.

[js1138]

Are you in the Smithsonian too?

Not at the moment, but I have been.

[jennyp]

I'm coming off of a cold, so maybe I just missed something. But are they saying that the clays liberated the oxygen from the rocks, which then powered the rise of the animals, or are the clays just a side effect of the increasing biomass during the precambrian?

I thought that the rise in atmospheric oxygen was caused by all the plant life expelling oxygen as a waste gas, coupled with the free iron finally getting all used up (which had been absorbing the oxygen by turning into iron oxide) & so the oxygen in the atmosphere had nowhere else to go.

[JCEccles]

occurred just as the rate of clay formation on the Earth’s surface also increased, the researchers report.

Imagine that. Life in this less than 15 billion year old topsy-turvy universe of chaotic, directionless, pointless, unintelligent, design-less, materialist world of Darwinian avolution is just amazing coincidence after another, after another, after another, after another, after another . . .

[PatrickHenry]

But are they saying that the clays liberated the oxygen from the rocks, which then powered the rise of the animals, or are the clays just a side effect of the increasing biomass during the precambrian?

As I read it, the clay and the oxygen appeared together. I donno what else they're saying. I post, you decide.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[SunkenCiv]

New Evidence Suggests Early Oceans Bereft Of Oxygen For Eons
ScienceDaily LLC
March 5, 2004

Working with coauthor Timothy Lyons of the University of Missouri, the Rochester team examined samples from the modern seafloor, including the rare locations that are oxygen-poor today. They learned that the chemical behavior of molybdenum's isotopes in sediments is different depending on the amount of oxygen in the overlying waters. As a result, the chemistry of molybdenum isotopes in the global oceans depends on how much seawater is oxygen-poor. They also found that the molybdenum in certain kinds of rocks records this information about ancient oceans. Compared to modern samples, measurements of the molybdenum chemistry in the rocks from Australia point to oceans with much less oxygen.

[SunkenCiv]

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