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The City Of The White Men (Who Built Tiahuanaco)
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Posted on 02/01/2006 4:27:40 PM PST by blam

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To: dsc

Some things are obvious. For example, the garbage disposal is pretty obvious. Installing it less so.


61 posted on 02/02/2006 8:14:29 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Max in Utah

Hair color is a matter of personal preference these days.


62 posted on 02/02/2006 8:15:12 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Max in Utah

"You can see that in the upper classes of Mexico today. It seems that the rich men tend to choose blonde-haired, blue-eyed wives."

That has more to do with their desire to reaffirm their lineage as Spanish and not Indian, who are consiered a lower class.


63 posted on 02/02/2006 8:19:40 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: muawiyah

"Some things are obvious. For example, the garbage disposal is pretty obvious. Installing it less so."

Still seems pretty strange to me.


64 posted on 02/02/2006 8:22:59 AM PST by dsc
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To: blam
"...metal joiners were either pounded in to the holes, or molten metal poured in to fill the channels. The same technique was used here and there in pharaonic Egypt."

I'm pretty sure it was poured. What was the metal, bronze?

The Greeks used bronze clamps in dog-bone or ' I ' shapes to tie blocks together. The 'T' shaped recesses chiseled into the ends of the blocks were oversize, allowing a fill of molten lead to be poured in to perfectly fill the spaces. The bronze gave strength, the lead filler formed a cushion between bronze and stone while also protecting the bronze from corrosion.

65 posted on 02/02/2006 8:23:29 AM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: Bob J
You can see that in the upper classes of Mexico today

You can see it in every upper class in every society, ours included.

66 posted on 02/02/2006 9:07:20 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Arthalion

but did they not see the white clouds? I think they would recognize white when they saw it.


67 posted on 02/02/2006 9:21:33 AM PST by ruoflaw
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To: MarkL
I thought that Quetzalcoatl was a feathered, winged serpent!

If you read through the posts you will find that the feathered serpent was a "Symbol" of Quetzacoatl..

The Feathers denoted Heaven, the Serpent, Earth..
It is not a literal description, but a symbolic one denoting his godhood..

68 posted on 02/02/2006 9:30:16 AM PST by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: StoneGiant

"I guess we can rule out friendly Muslim adventurers"

Since there was no such thing as Islam prior to the 7th century, that's a good bet, but that "twelfth emperor" thing would probably sound rather Muslim, to a Muslim.


69 posted on 02/02/2006 9:36:35 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

My comment related to the expanded discussion showing commonality between Aztec, Mayan and Incan beliefs. Since the last documented Mayan architecture was completed around 823AD, and the Incas died out in the 1400's, surely exposure to Muslim adventurers is possible... though unlikely?


70 posted on 02/02/2006 9:49:24 AM PST by StoneGiant (Power without morality is disaster. Morality without power is useless.)
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To: StoneGiant

"surely exposure to Muslim adventurers is possible... though unlikely?"

There also appears to be commonality with Judeo-Christian belief, to a much greater degree than Muslim, but the three, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, do have common early origins. Plus, there are aspects showing some commonality with the Egyptians as well. Also, one of the names for this "god" was Votan, which might seem to throw a pre-Christian, Northern European influence into the mix (Wotan).

It's very tempting to say that these beliefs did not arise completely independently of one another, but I just don't see any practicable way to explain such a thing.


71 posted on 02/02/2006 10:00:52 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: shuckmaster
Pre-Incan Ruins Emerging From Peru's Cloud Forest (Chapapoyas)

"The Chachapoya, distinguished by fair skin and great height, lived primarily on ridges and mountaintops in circular stone houses."

72 posted on 02/02/2006 11:08:26 AM PST by blam
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To: StoneGiant
"My comment related to the expanded discussion showing commonality between Aztec, Mayan and Incan beliefs. Since the last documented Mayan architecture was completed around 823AD, and the Incas died out in the 1400's, surely exposure to Muslim adventurers is possible... though unlikely?"

Historical Review: Megadrought and Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorrhagic Fever)

73 posted on 02/02/2006 11:14:35 AM PST by blam
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To: RegulatorCountry

The explanation can be found in the Book of Mormon.


74 posted on 02/02/2006 11:18:09 AM PST by satan
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To: satan

"The explanation can be found in the Book of Mormon."

And the Garden of Eden was located in present-day Jackson County, Missouri? I have more than a passing familiarity with Mormonism, and don't accept it, personally. If you do, more power to you, but something about your screen name tells me you don't.


75 posted on 02/02/2006 11:41:21 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: blam

From what I have read very little is known about the Chapapoyas, their ruins are impressive and the architecture is very different from what you would expect to find in Peru.


76 posted on 02/02/2006 12:00:58 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Yeah, if it weren't for that little human sacrifice thing, just imagine what they might have accomplished. ;)

Well they kinda needed that wheel thingie to get any further as well.

77 posted on 02/02/2006 12:11:07 PM PST by Centurion2000 (SUPPORT THE DANES! BURN A KORAN!)
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To: patton

Thought you might find this interesting, considering the book you were reading.


78 posted on 02/02/2006 12:29:03 PM PST by Emmalein (Try not to let your mind wander...It is too small and fragile to be out by itself.)
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To: Little Bill
"From what I have read very little is known about the Chapapoyas, their ruins are impressive and the architecture is very different from what you would expect to find in Peru."

Yup. Another enigma. I hope we figure this all out one day.

79 posted on 02/02/2006 12:29:47 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Interesting. I have read that Spaniards encountered white people in South America, they had red hair and light skin. I would not be surprised if Indians were actually White. Many of those Indians I have seen look Caucasian based on facial features. I know Mayans, Mapuches, and Incas have the same rate of Rh negative blood as Basques and Celts. It would not surprise me if they are related to them.


80 posted on 02/02/2006 3:29:46 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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