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Buchanan defends foreign aid – for Hamas
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 02/01/2006 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 02/01/2006 10:09:49 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: lnbchip
I won't deny the "carpet bomb" comment wasn't a tad tongue in cheek. But before you completely discount it - The Taliban was essentially imposed upon Afghanistan by external forces (Pakistan not the least). We deposed it/them.

In Hamas, as a duly elected body, we have not only a terrorist sponsoring state, we have a state of, by, and for the people, wholly comprised of terrorists! Somebody there needs to learn that actions have consequences. It may be too soon to begin shacking up the grids...but a year from now?

101 posted on 02/01/2006 11:35:28 AM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: el_texicano

Pat B reminds me of Goldwater. A good conservative in his prime but increased age saw increased political senility.


102 posted on 02/01/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by OldArmy52 (Communism: Liberalism being all it can be.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Pat doesn't understand that Israel doesn't want a Palestinian state and the Palestinans don't want an Israel state. There is no intention to have negotiations regardless of who leads the Palestinians or who leads Israel. If Bush thinks a two-state solution is in our interests, then he better move the pile.


103 posted on 02/01/2006 11:39:06 AM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: SirLinksalot
I used to like Pat until he started spewing his hate for Jews.

He sure showed his true colors huh?
104 posted on 02/01/2006 11:39:06 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: DK Zimmerman
I'll try and answer your question. I don't believe that we're doing anything wrong. In fact, I believe that we're doing the right thing by expressing American desire for democracy to take hold in that region. America is playing the hand its been dealt.

Was the creation of the Israel state a wise one in hind-sight? Given the turmoil of what's gone on since, it is a legitimate question to ask. I don't have the answer, either - I'm too young to understand the problems that faced the world body politic in its day. Maybe it goes back even further; to the resolution at the conclusion of WWI and the holding of Germany economically accountable for that war.

Anyhow, the United States will be paying the indirect costs for our hand in those decisions for a long, long time to come. All we can do is to continue playing our cards and keep making the 'calls' and 'checks' while we still have chips on the table.

105 posted on 02/01/2006 11:48:57 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (The Far Right and the Far Left both disdain markets. If the Left ever finds God, the GOP is toast.)
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To: Delphinium
I think your post is ridiculous because he favors a position not supported by Israeli hardliners he is labeled by you and others as an anti-semite. Such charges are baseless. It is in the interest of the entire world that the Palestinian problem be solved. Pat Buchanan clearly supports the right of Israel to exist and prosper and many Jews in Israel support the same ideas as Pat has outlined.These knee-jerk charges are making me sick.
106 posted on 02/01/2006 11:57:35 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: SirLinksalot

He's right on one thing here -- cutting off Hamas from Western $ invites the Saudis to start writing checks to them (and no, Pat isn't an antisemite -- he's just tetchy).


107 posted on 02/01/2006 11:58:15 AM PST by MajorityOfOne
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To: SirLinksalot

Pat has gone so far to the right, he's become an extreme leftist.


108 posted on 02/01/2006 12:00:30 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: LowCountryJoe
I concur with your last. That said, however, Pat seems to be suggesting that we reverse a course or two, to the point of supporting Hamas. That is just about the only course of action we should not do. A year's time is too much and pussy footing around them because of what Arabs may think of us is too much.

Remember, theirs is supposedly a religion of "peace" and they not only can, but do blame 9-11 on us. Hamas is an Iranian creation. To continue your analogy, the poker table we're sitting at is rapidly filling up with Iranian team members. If we don't start blowing some of them up, we might as well fold and go home. Supporting/sustaining any of them is no way to come out a winner.

109 posted on 02/01/2006 12:02:40 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: DK Zimmerman
Please clarify...where do you suggest we went wrong? Holding elections in Iraq? Encouraging democracy? Invading Iraq? Desert Shield/Desert Storm? The creation of the state of Israel?

We should eliminate all foreign aid...its unconstitutional and, as Senator Helms, once correctly noted...its money down a rat hole. Once the US cuts off all foreign aid to all foreign governments, the US government won't have to deal with the uncomfortable situation of having to cut off that aid to a democratically-elected government that's brought into power through an election we endorsed. Of course, we have the right to dispense foreign aid wherever we like...but the reality is that cutting off aid to the Palestinians after the election to Hamas (which is an enemy of Israel but not the US) will be seen as another example of US one-sidedeness in the Middle East. In the end, the push for democracy was, I believe, intended to eliminate the backwardness and authoritarianism of Middle Eastern governments because those conditions were seen as conducive to terrorism against the US. So obviously, the Arab and Muslim perceptions of the US are important to us and underly our approach to the Middle East. But, its no secret that the US is mostly reviled in the Middle East...for lots of reasons...the (correct I think) perception that we prop up corrupt regimes there...the perception that we benefit economically from the existence of these regimes...the (correct) perception that we favor Israel in their disputes with Arab Muslims...and the fact that as the lone superpower...we get a lot of blame for everything....fair or unfair

I think invading Iraq was a mistake...it seems to me that it will do nothing to improve our image in the minds of the Iraqis...I don't believe Saddam was ever really a serious threat to the US...and might even have been an ally had we not intervened in Iraq's invasion of Kuwait (it is a fact that Iraq approached the Bush Administration before invading Kuwait and was told by April Glaspie that the US was "not interested in Mid East border disputes"). The US maintained a permanent base presence in Saudi Arabia after Desert Storm...which was the original gripe of Bin Laden against the US.

I think that democracy in Iraq will ultimately strengthen Iran and, unless the US maintains a presence in Iraq for years to come (not something I think any of us want to pay for or have our children or grandchildren pay for)...the country will ultimately split apart...strengthening both the Shiites in Iran and Sunnis in Syria.

I guess I'm a non-interventionist (an isolationist some would say disparagingly)...the history of US foreign policy (and all nations; foreign policies) is one of unintended consequences...I think minding our own business is the best route...just my opinion

110 posted on 02/01/2006 12:03:56 PM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: SirLinksalot
He remains bitter about the failure of his various attempts at a 'Mein Kampaign'.
111 posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:46 PM PST by Borges
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To: narby

Don't be. He used to be very good. He's lost it now.


112 posted on 02/01/2006 12:05:59 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: demkicker
I wish he'd get a clue that his 15 minutes were over long ago and fade away.

Yeah, and take his skanky sister with him. It's an election year, so predictably Bay Buchanan is suddenly on TV and radio again. Blech!

113 posted on 02/01/2006 12:07:35 PM PST by Wolfstar (Someday when we meet up yonder, we'll stroll hand in hand again, in a land that knows no parting...)
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To: Publius Maximus; Paleo Conservative; ex-snook; dennisw
Actually, a Hamas victory and support for them is the logical result of democratism.
Our reaction should be to turn away from this suicidal behavior. Pat is as wrong as Bush.
114 posted on 02/01/2006 12:08:20 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: .cnI redruM

">>>>We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?"


If only we'd given Germany more aid during the late 30's. Then we wouldn't have been rejected a democratically elected Chancellor. Count me in on bashing Buchanan."


Fine. But don't credit me for saying the first sentence in this reply, as it was another poster.


115 posted on 02/01/2006 12:13:51 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: rmlew
Pat is as wrong as Bush.

Two ditches on every road...

116 posted on 02/01/2006 12:14:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: SirLinksalot
Now, Condi, who denounced

That's "Secretary Rice" to you, Buchanan, you @sshat.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh... never mind. Just... go, all right? Just put on your burqa and GO.

117 posted on 02/01/2006 12:16:12 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: OldArmy52

I think Goldwater was consistent the whole way though. He was always a Libertarian more then a conservative and never had much use for the Religious Right.


118 posted on 02/01/2006 12:16:58 PM PST by Borges
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To: SirLinksalot

Pat, your Nazi flag is showing.


119 posted on 02/01/2006 12:18:17 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Courdeleon02
I think Buchanan makes some telling points here. Some of you are unjustly calling him antisemitic.
Actually, Buchanan has a history of defending Nazis, Holocaust revisionism, and use of conspiracy theories about Jewish and neocon influence.
Whatever true point he makes is already besmirched by its author.

amas is no longer a fringe group. It is now in the drivers seat. It has political power.I think we should give them some time and see if they show any sign of changing their ways. Hamas should be required to recognize and pledge to the world to respect the territorial integrity of Israel.
Hamas has already made it clear that it will not do so. Have you not been paying attention to statements by Hamas members?

In return Israel should withdraw from all settlements on the West Bank.
What is a settlement? Does this include Jerusalem? Does it include land owned by Jews prior to the Arab invasions of 1948?

The settlements have been the chief stumbling block that prevents any kind of agreement.Israel has not ever offered to withdraw these settlements.They were illegal in the first place.
There is nothing illegal about building communities on disputed land.
Israel offered to withdraw from most of the land multiple times under Rabin, Peres, and Barak. The PLO responded with terror and Hamas never stopped.

The Palestinians are entitled to a country of their own.
Jordan is an Arab state on 3/4 of Palestine.

Take note the right wing in Israel is perfectly happy with Hamas. It gives them an excuse not to negotiate.
Quite teh opposite. The Hamas victory is exactly what Israeli conservatives warned of.

120 posted on 02/01/2006 12:23:44 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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