Posted on 02/01/2006 7:38:50 AM PST by Reagan Man
Mot the nation yet. But have you driven through Los Angelos lately? It is indistinguishable from a Mexican hellhole except there are still a few black people who have not been driven out yet.
Cost, upkeep, patrolling...what are you gonna do about the tunnels under it.
If someone puts a ladder up, gonna shoot them? Or are you going to have 24 hr patrols?
If you put the wall up, they will just come in on containers, boats, planes...anything else they can possibly come up with.
A wall is a lamebrain idea. A wall just slows people down carrying stuff out. Ask the Chinese.
Probably looks like the slums of NYC at the turn of the last century... all those dirty Italians and Irish.
Just common sense...notice the tag line?
Nope, it will help legit businesses that are competing with employers who BREAK THE LAW. One of the reasons that Mexico is is such a basket case is because of widespread systematic corruption. You and your ilk would bring that same attitude to the US.
It will also save the US taxpayer 67 billion a year in health care, education, and incarceration costs for illegals.
If you want to encourage criminal behavior, by all means do so, and I hope you enjoy the consequences. But don't put lipstick on a pig and expect the rest of us to kiss it.
No it has happened, it's effect is just so small it's nearly futile. The number of illegal immigrants we are capturing coming across the border is up considerably. However, we either just send them back with no jail time and they just come back again, or the fight deportation through making an asylum application and we don't have the room to detain them, so they are released and they don't show up in court for their hearing.
We're detaining more, but it's not making any difference.
We could have ten times as many border patrol agents on the border, and the end effect would make little difference regarding the vast majority if the illegal immigrants.
Detaining more people does improve border security in that it gives us a better chance of catching dangerous people we are looking for, and it gives us a better chance of capturing contraband being brought into the US.
We are getting better at that, but with the number of people coming into our country illegally, our border patrol is stuck with concentrating on dangerous criminals and smuggling, or not concentrating on those and risk letting them get through because of not concentrating on them.
We need more prison space to toss those illegally entering our country in jail to punish them so that they are less likely to return.
We need Judges that treat immigration violations seriously.
We need legislation that makes it harder for people to bog down our court system with invalid asylum applications and appeals.
We also need to give our border patrol the manpower and the proper tools to detect and apprehend illegal immigrants. However they can already catch more than the system can process. More agents can help provide better border security if they are used to concentrate on more dangerous criminals, however they aren't going to help us address the overall problem of illegal immigration until we have the means to punish those who break our laws, and convince them to stay out when we toss them out.
The executive branch can't fix this. Bush can help fix it or he can fight fixing it.
He did seem to fight fixing it when he took office. He now seems to be actually trying to fix the problem of illegal immigration while at the same time providing for legal immigration.
I do agree with most people here that we simply cannot afford another mass amnesty.
We cannot allow immigrants to come into our country that cannot support themselves and do not provide positive benefits to our country except in the rare cases where it's reasonable that we offer asylum.
Much of the criticism on how this administration first addressed the issue of illegal immigration when Bush took office is well justified. However, the evidence is there that Bush is listening. The evidence is there that Bush does realize now that illegal immigrants are bankrupting our country through entitlement programs.
Hare working immigrants can provide a real benefit to our country, but by allowing unrestrained illegal immigration we are doing more harm than good to our economy. We are also allowing criminals easy access to our country, and our relative wealth is very attractive to such criminals.
We need to fix this problem. However, it won't be fixed by idiots who like to blame everything on Bush to score political points.
Yes. It's beautiful, as usual.
The cost of the services is offset by taxes collected on wages that are never refunded. If they are illegals, they also lose every bit of FICA.
Encouraging illegal behavior? Nope...but no need to treat hard working family people as criminals because they come here to better themselves.
You are right about the corruption in Mexico, that is the root of many of their problems...but everything you have suggested does nothing to address that problem.
As long as Mexicans can make ten times the money in the US as they can at home, we will have this problem. Fix that problem, and you will cure the illegal immigration problem. That is why a guest worker program is integral to any solution.
Legal immigration is not the same as open borders.
Open borders allow anyone to come in.
Controlled, legal immigration allows people to come here if their come here can provide a benefit to the United States.
But please feel free to explain how Bush supports open borders rather than closed borders with increased legalized immigration.
Read it, several times.
Tancredo's plan covers all the bases from anchor baby to enforcement. It's also why they wont look at the program. By the time they are finished working over Tancredo's, they would still be left with something very similar to Kyl-Cornyn, which is seen as too tough.
I'm afraid all the light will be shone on McCain/Kennedy.
Did the Italians and Irish come in through Ellis Island or did they just stroll across the border in the middle of the night, violating all kinds of immigration and labor laws?
I agree, and it's making very dissapointed in Bush...
Well said! It's going to be difficult for some of these people to give up their labor subsidies!
Sounds like you would approve of a physical barrier that would greatly reduce the overburdening effect on our courts, jails, Border Agents and social services, by Illegal Aliens.
Immigrants were asked many questions which would decide if they woud be admitted or not. Questions like, " Do you have any money? Do you already have a job? Do you have a place to stay? Where does you family live? Are you married? How old are you? What job skills do you have? Have you been in America previously? Can you read?" Those who did not pass the tests at the Immigration office were sent back home to Italy generally at the expense of the ship owners, however those who did make it were allowed to pass into America."
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I know when and which POTUS. It was 1954 and it was Ike.
Nice try -- but .
Ike implemented "Operation Wetback". Illegals were rounded up by the INS and deported en masse. The ones who didn't get caught got so scared they VOLUNTARILY fled back to México. By the end 1,000,000,000 ILLEGALS were 'removed'. Which at the time was practically all of them
Now if you'd like to talk about recent times, how's this -- in 2000, there was an estimated Seven Million illegals in the USA. We now have at least, 14 Million (maybe 20), so in five years Dubya has ALLOWED the ILLEGAL population to at least double.
And if you note, four of those years was after 9-11-2001 when he supposedly, allegedly, hypothetically, in his dreams, "closed our borders to protect us".
In short, his 'immigration stratergy' SUCKS.
LOL! And when they don't leave as they're supposed to? What then?
As an aside, What other group didn't leave when their visas expired?
Give up?
The 9/11 hijackers.
Great plan you've got there, Dane.
The people in charge of those agencies and the leaders that are ultimately responsible for enforcement of our laws are the "bumblers". The men and women that work in these agencies deserve our thanks and support.
The President is the Commander in Chief; he has the constitutional authority to protect the American people. He has the power to secure the borders Today.
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