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Tab for Indiana Toll Road not cheap
Post-Tribune ^ | Jan. 25, 2006 | Steve Walsh

Posted on 01/25/2006 1:42:20 PM PST by Willie Green

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To: cicero's_son

They might catch us by surprise.


121 posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Abathar

Don't confuse the Hoosier haters with facts.

Just let them rant.

Hopefully, they'll get the idiocy out of their system before November.


122 posted on 06/15/2006 8:25:45 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: 1rudeboy

I am also concerned that an Australian-Spanish axis could develop in the Hoosier National Forest.

If they dig in their positions in those deep woods, we may never be able to get them out.

Furthermore, one of Indiana's key cultural assets lies along the route of the Toll Road: Santa Claus Land. Do we really want to put the future of Christmas in the hands of dirty foreigners?


123 posted on 06/15/2006 8:28:41 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: 1rudeboy

Or they could use the toll road to consolidate their entrenched positions along the Chicago Skyway...


124 posted on 06/15/2006 8:36:35 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: cicero's_son
Whenever I hear that, I think of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where King Arthur comes-across that French castle in England.
125 posted on 06/15/2006 8:41:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cicero's_son
I am also concerned that an Australian-Spanish axis could develop in the Hoosier National Forest.

If they dig in their positions in those deep woods, we may never be able to get them out.

Try Deep Woods Off!

126 posted on 06/15/2006 8:41:52 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Quigley

I90 not I80.


127 posted on 06/15/2006 8:42:52 AM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: Miss Marple

I need some hard numbers to know whether or not this is a good deal. I've never seen any NPV done on this proposed deal. I live 5 miles from a proposed interchange for I-69.


128 posted on 06/15/2006 8:44:29 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Bring Back Torre (There's new grass on the field))
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To: cicero's_son
I don't let them bother me, most of the replies are knee jerk reactions from people who haven't researched this issue at all. It affects me because the new 69 extension will either be out my back door if it comes down SR67 from Indy like they are thinking about now, or if they put in a cloverleaf interchange at Ohio street in Martinsville I have to give up my business and move. I spent a lot of time looking at the figures and weighed the pros and cons, something 99% of these people haven't really done.
129 posted on 06/15/2006 8:50:29 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: Quigley
We southerners are pretty dumb but we aren't dumb enough to let our politicians turn all of our interstate highways into turnpikes.

Keep an eye on your politicians. Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina's Departments of Transportation are looking to convert Interstate highways into toll roads, including I-81 and I-95. Unlike the Northern turnpikes, which were built with toll revenue bonds, these Interstates were constructed with money from Federal and State gas taxes. Texas already has over 100 miles of toll roads in Dallas and Houston, with that state, Arkansas, and other Southern states looking at new tollways.

130 posted on 06/15/2006 8:51:27 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Cintra is going to own the whole hemispheric transportation corridor, when all is said and done."

I read, some while back, about them taking over a road in Canada. The government sold it to them and they made it a toll road. They immediately instituted exorbitant tolls and the residents were justifiably angry as they had no choice but to drive on it. This is going on everywhere and I wonder how many pols are getting kickbacks.


131 posted on 06/15/2006 10:10:09 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: mysterio
"Daniels is worse for Indiana in two years than 16 years of dumocrat rule. It will be immensely satisfying to see him soundly defeated in the next election."

I think your being a little hard on him. After all he did a fine job straightening out our time zone problem. /sarc!!!
132 posted on 06/15/2006 10:55:54 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2
AHA! Yes, Daylight Savings Time is the worst thing to ever happen!

Get a grip. I figure anyone who can't handle the time change is simply unwilling to make changes on anything. We will get on just fine, and I am beginning to like having the extra hours in the evening.

133 posted on 06/15/2006 3:40:20 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

The change did not effect me. It just seems that it was a lot of fuss for little, if any gain.


134 posted on 06/15/2006 7:37:39 PM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: nicollo
Okay. Sorry. So what's your take on it?

This is your state so I am not g;oing to criticize. However, I lived in LaPorte as a child years and years ago.

This is what I heard on CNN tonight:

BREAK) DOBBS: The House has voted to block a Bush administration plan to allow foreign control of our airlines. Lawmakers from both parties, however, oppose that plan. But the Bush White House is determined to give away another piece of our critical national infrastructure and assets.

Bill Tucker reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Congress can't stop the Department of Transportation from giving away control of domestic airlines to foreign investors. It's not for lack of trying.

On Wednesday, the House attached an amendment to the transportation budget to stop DOT from proceeding, prompting this response from the Senate side: "The House vote sent a strong signal to President Bush. The American people don't want our nation's transportation system under foreign control -- not our ports, and certainly not our airlines." That from Senator Frank Lautenberg.

Yet, when asked by LOU DOBBS TONIGHT if the Department of Transportation would now back off of its proposed rule change, "No comment" was the response.

CAPT. PAUL RICE, VP, AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOC.: The insistence that the Department of Transportation continue with this notice of proposed rule making and just continue against everybody's wishes, everybody's stated wishes, and to avoid the proper debate that should be done in the House and in the Senate is nothing but arrogance.

TUCKER: DOT's position is that it doesn't have to work with Congress to change a 65-year-old law prohibiting foreign control of domestic airlines because it's not rewriting the law, just reinterpreting it, giving foreign investors control of route planning, ticket prices, plane purchases and staffing decisions.

REP. PETER DEFAZIO (D), OREGON: This administration is hell bent on pushing forward because the Europeans have said, if you won't let us control your airlines, then you can't have an open skies agreement. Yet another meaningless free trade agreement that they can notch on their belt that will cost U.S. jobs.

TUCKER: Also at stake is something known as the Civilian Reserve Air Fleet Agreement, or CRAF. Under that agreement domestic airlines fly American troops and equipment overseas.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

I read a thread on FR this week about the UN wanting to tax the airlines and Europe has agreed to do this. With this airline agreement, it looks like the UN may be able to tax the American people.

When the Texas corridor plans were announced, I don't remember the legistlature voting on it. Gov.Perry just announced it saying that the Cintra Co. was the only company who could afford to bid on it or something to that effect as it was a done deal when announced to the public. The Texas corridor is going through rural areas mostly. This company will confiscate 450,000 acres. Almost a half million acres. The farmers have been angry but to no avail as eminent domaine will kick them off their land.

Texas Corridor is a 4,000 mile plan of supertollways more. The Corridor will include tollways for 12 passenger vehicles lanes, 4 truck lanes, 2 passenger train tracks, 2 commuters train tracks, 2 freight train tracks, underground lines for water, natural gas, petroleum, telecommunication, fiberoptics and overhead high-voltage electric transmission lines and electrical transmission towers.

Plans also include gas stations, garages, restaurants, hotels, stores, billboards, warehouses, freight interchange, intermodal transfer areas, passenger train stations, bus stations, parking facilities, dispatch control centers, maintenance facilities, pipeline pumping stations, and of course, toll booths. The Trans Texas Corridor is the largest engineering project ever proposed for Texas. This statewide network of corridors will measure a quarter mile wide and cost over $180 Billion dollars

Just curious, was the I69 corridor voted on by your legistlature?

The Cintra Co. will also control all the gas stations, rstaurants, hotels, ect. This company will have this control for 70 years. I wonder if the UN could tax all this traffic? A foreign company could probably care less as all they would have to do is add it to the toll.

135 posted on 06/15/2006 7:51:28 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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