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| 23 January 2006
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Posted on 01/23/2006 4:31:58 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Can't freep while in prison. Nor most asylums, I imagine.
641
posted on
01/25/2006 2:17:35 PM PST
by
longshadow
(FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
To: RunningWolf
You guys certainly have some bizarre definitions of things, for one what constitutes a liar. Someone who declares that something is a historical fact when in fact it rests on a vague unsupported assertion by someone who had every interest in making such stories up. Someone who keeps changing his story. Someone who repeatedly misrepresents links that he posts, purporting that they say the opposite of what they conclude. Someone who claims to have presented numerous links to substantiations rather than the just one that he has actually linked to (and even that one was at best ambivalent about the story). Behaviour like that is considered lying in honest circles. Maybe not where you come from though.
Lady Hope could have visited Darwin and not have been remembered by his family for the time or times she was there. So TheBrotherhood raising this possibility does not make him a liar no matter how many some of the nutballs on your side scream it out, and no matter how many atheist evo web sites they link up too.
What about the numerous Christian websites, including the arch-creationist site AiG, which also say that the story is almost certainly false?
Also Darwin could well have made his recantation to Lady hope and only to Lady Hope.
Yeah, right. He knew that his wife, who he loved deeply, was desparate for him to recant, but he just told some evangelical stranger, and no-one else, 6 months before he died, when he wasn't even yet ill. If you believe that I've got a Swiss bank account that you can send all your money to. I'll *guarantee* in return that you get to heaven, and send you London Bridge by return of post.
642
posted on
01/25/2006 2:22:07 PM PST
by
Thatcherite
(More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
To: Thatcherite
Lady Hope also claimed to have been at Einstein's deathbed, when he purportedly said: "Oy, relativity! It's just a joke I made up. I vant to talk about Jesus." She told numerous similar stories about other noted scientists -- so many that she must have been at more deathbeds than Jack Kevorkian.
643
posted on
01/25/2006 2:29:47 PM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
To: PatrickHenry
From the article, "Elizabeth Cotton was born in 1842 in Tasmania, Australia."
BUT...
Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
[Forehead smack]
It's so OBVIOUS!
644
posted on
01/25/2006 2:41:51 PM PST
by
Condorman
(Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
To: MadManDan
Everything alive right now is a transitional species; but that might be over your head. No ill humour intended either. I think Creationist types need to realize that there are many of us conservatives who believe that evolution (or its basic idea) is fact. We are not stupid people, we are not immoral people. Just the fact that we are conservative should be enough about our character that anyone needs to know. I think most of us believe in God just like you do too. With all this said, I've never seen one of us use name calling against you guys like a lot of you do to us. We're all on the same side here. There is much room for alternate explanations of the evidence. What we are currently witnessing is a large segment of the scientific community feeling the freedom to lay their ideas on the table. Previously, the liberal element of Academia censored the free thought in the Hard Sciences because the information affected the information they wish to indoctrinate.
What we are seeing is a schism between Liberal Academia and the more conservative "Hard Sciences". As the momentum continues we will see much more extensive research being spent evaluating the evidence from a Design perspective. The Book stores are becoming full of Intelligent Design best sellers, which in a free market translates to money for future R&D and a more sophisticated presentation of the supporting science.
Exciting times we are living in.
645
posted on
01/25/2006 3:06:59 PM PST
by
bondserv
(God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
To: Virginia-American
646
posted on
01/25/2006 3:23:26 PM PST
by
StACase
To: RunningWolf
You will note that
in the post following yours most of Brotherhood's strawgrasps are demolished. The story--and "story" is the only word for it--has Darwin ill abed, not healthy and visiting London. This does not fit what we know of Darwin's last days. Thus, it is very much of a piece with my example of Roosevelt visiting Hitler.
You say yours is better because "She documented it." No, "she" said it, and there's even doubt as to who "she" is.
The Lady Hope Story first appears in an American Baptist newspaper the Watchman Examiner on August 15, 1915. The author was identified only as a "consecrated English woman", "Lady Hope", but research by L.G. Pine a former editor of Burke's Peerage found no other Lady Hope other than Elizabeth Hope who was adult in the 1880s and still alive in 1915.
"She" never owned up to being "Lady Hope." What kind of documentation is that? A story that doesn't fit the known history of no certain authorship? That's my "Roosevelt visited Hitler" example. The proof I'm right is you can't prove I'm wrong. That makes it a historical fact by TheBrotherhood's standards.
647
posted on
01/25/2006 3:44:04 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: zeeba neighba
Dimensio calls everyone a liar
So how is TheBrotherhood being honest by claiming that articles that either say the opposite of what he claims or say that what he claims cannot be determined are "proof" of his claim? How is TheBrotherhood being honest by refusing to substantiate his claim that Darwin "recanted" his theories on his deathbed and that Darwin's own children testified as much?
the only response that ever makes him stop, is to post snippets of current scientists manufacturing data to further their lackluster careers.
And now we know why I haven't stopped: thus far, no one has done this.
648
posted on
01/25/2006 3:50:11 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: CarolinaGuitarman
TheBrotherhood won't get it. He might be capable of getting it, but his arrogant creationist mindset refuses to concede. It's not that he really cares if Darwin recanted his theories. The problem is that he's made a claim, and now he has to defend that claim against all naysayers and against all facts and reality being against him because he, like so many creationists, does not dare admit a mistake. The problem is that if a creationist admits making a mistake, the creationist is acknowledging that he or she is capable of making mistakes. And if a creationist acknowledges that he or she is capable of making a mistake, it opens up the possibility that he or she might be wrong about other things as well.
Many creationists rest their entire worldview on them being infallable.
649
posted on
01/25/2006 3:56:48 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: VadeRetro
He didn't raise it as a possibility, he raised it as a historical fact.
Moreover, he claimed that Darwin's own children testified that it was true. Now that ample evidence has been presented to show that his children said the exact opposite, he seems to have dishonestly "forgotten" about that claim.
650
posted on
01/25/2006 3:58:24 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Thatcherite
He knew that his wife, who he loved deeply, was desparate for him to recant, but he just told some evangelical stranger, and no-one else, 6 months before he died, when he wasn't even yet ill. Nope. Her story has him really on his deathbed. He's not healthy and strolling through the parks in London or whatever. It really doesn't work.
651
posted on
01/25/2006 3:59:24 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
652
posted on
01/25/2006 4:04:23 PM PST
by
dread78645
(Intelligent Design. It causes people to lie - joebucks)
I recant dread78645's recant placemark placemarker.
653
posted on
01/25/2006 4:05:55 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
To: VadeRetro
missing warpcore CLOCK: 30h 00m 00s and counting
654
posted on
01/25/2006 4:15:55 PM PST
by
longshadow
(FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
655
posted on
01/25/2006 4:20:37 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
To: longshadow
Lady Hope recanted that recantation story on her deathbed! She died an atheist. Stephen J. Gould was there and he heard it all.
656
posted on
01/25/2006 4:21:26 PM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
To: longshadow
If he pops up on any thread, let me know.
657
posted on
01/25/2006 4:29:01 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: VadeRetro
One author wrote a piece claiming that Lady Hope threatened to off Darwin if he didn't renounce his theories.
He called it the Recant or Bury Tale.
658
posted on
01/25/2006 4:53:40 PM PST
by
Ken H
To: Ken H
EeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!
Good one!
659
posted on
01/25/2006 4:54:36 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: TheBrotherhood
You mean outlawing Christianity, right?
Beware, comrades, he's on to us!
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