Dover district legal fees likely to top $1 million Intelligent design suit lawyers dismissed

The Patriot News ^ | Friday, January 06, 2006 | BY BILL SULON Of The Patriot-News

[Gumlegs]

Eeeeew, no!

[highball]

Conflating "good Christian" with lying lying lying is nothing more that anti-Christian bigotry bigotry bigotry... Really simple concept...

You're defending them because they're Christian. You refuse to condemn lies told in the name of your faith.

Unless lying to infidels doesn't count?

Myself, I don't believe that lying is a Christian act. But if you'll support their lying, maybe I'm wrong?

[balrog666]

They of course can repent and be forgiven etcetera...

How convenient ... for the hypocrites.

[Dimensio]

As though the only reason adults do the right thing is because we might get punished if we don't.

I can only conclude that Christians who make this argument -- and the related "if I weren't a Christian I'd do horrible things" (I've heard this from a number of Christians) -- are psychotic sociopaths unable to comprehend that they're in a scant minority and that most people -- Christians included -- aren't interested killing, raping or otherwise causing harm to others for personal pleasure.

[DBeers]

False question. This isn't about "removing" anything - it's about the school board trying to insert their personal religion into science classes to the exclusion of all others in what they knew was a clear violation of the Constitution (or they wouldn't have tried so desperately to hide it).

Actually -not really a false question. It was just my perspective AND I would imagine the perspective that a great majority of Christians hold...

Now will you believe it -maybe, maybe not -IT may not even be possible to consider what it is like to have something taken away if at first one does not even believe that that something exists e.g. God...

Case in point -the liberals can not believe how the "red states" tended to vote (moral values) -THEY do not get it and will never get it SO what do they do -they say that the red staters e.g. 'Christians' are stupid -stupid talibans... LOL - yup real stupid...

[Doctor Stochastic]

It's called taqqiya, however, the creationists were practicing such lying long before their alliance with Harun Yahya and the BAV.

[DBeers]

How convenient ... for the hypocrites.

Actually for everyone it is available... Even those Christians you choose to disparage by calling hypocrites when you do not know what is in thier hearts

[balrog666]

Actually for everyone it is available... Even those Christians you choose to disparage by calling hypocrites when you do not know what is in thier hearts

I don't care what a fool like you might think is in their hearts when they have shown by their actions that they cannot be trusted. Ever. They should be held accountable under the law and sent to prison for perjury and malfeasance.

[DBeers]

You're defending them because they're Christian.

No -if you read my postings I objectively stated that perjury is wrong -period. I could get into a theological debate and show that in some cases perjury MAY be legtimately employed as a considered lesser of two evils; however, as it regards this case there would be no legitimate excuse to lie that I can see...

[DBeers]

I don't care what a fool like you might think is in their hearts when they have shown by their actions that they cannot be trusted. Ever. They should be held accountable under the law and sent to prison for perjury and malfeasance.

Actually there was no need to tell me you do not care what I think -this much was already obvious. The fool bit though is something new...

LOL

[DBeers]

As though the only reason adults do the right thing is because we might get punished if we don't.

Actually the argument comes before this... It is that we only know the right thing because of God... If not for God then what is right or wrong is debateable e.g. morally relative and situationally derived... Punishment, Hell or consequence is a result of doing bad...

SO -doing the right thing first and foremost requires knowing the right thing to do...

[Doctor Stochastic]

Entropy is what it indeed is and the earth under heaven is a closed system wherein this entropy is not decreasing.

Raise your eyes unto the sky (during daylight) to apprehend the inaccuracy of your statement.

[whattajoke]

There are many who would deny the existence of God using the opposition of science, falsely so called. Evolution is simply the interpretation of materialistic athiests[sic] who deny the witness of the Holy Spirit and all science that supports creationalism[sic]. The 2nd law of thermodynamics basically states that as all matter ages, it becomes chaotic,corrupt,unstable and eventually deteriates[sic]. That includes rocks,trees, people, animals, etc. This is supported by every...blah blah blah.

Dude, this was the best creationist post in a long time. You had the required poor grammar, poor punctuation, misspellings and poor formatting we've come to expect from the creationist crowd - but more importantly, you totally nailed some of the better creationist talking points! Can you please explain to us your ideas about what the sun means to Earth's ecosystems?

It's just a shame that you are so indoctrinated that you'll never learn anything new. Peace!

[whattajoke]

Lutheran's for the most part have abandoned the biblical doctrines of Christ and largely follow the world, as most ecumenical orders who were corrupted by Satan do. It is a sign of the latter days. Believe it or not.

Sealed the deal here. kindred wins "commenter of the week." Christian love at its best, folks. The One True Christian/Scotsman at work. Congrats.

[andysandmikesmom]

I think this subject of lying, no matter who does it is a really touchy subject...and from my own perspective, here is why I think why..

Very often on these evo/Id/creationist threads, things get heated up...People will show up, who will make sure that everyone knows that they are a Christian, and as a Christian, they go on to almost claim a moral high ground...they then state as a fact, that all who believe in evolution MUST be atheists(which is in itself a lie), and as such they then go on to practically condemn to hell, anyone who believe in evolution...to further complicate things, they then go on to spread 'false' stories, stories which they know are false, and when caught in the 'lie', they either run away, or say, well, it does not matter anyway...

But it does matter, when someone shows up, claims they are a Christian, claims a moral high ground, and then lies about something concerning evolution...how can one claim to be a Christian, and then continually lie on purpose...and it is on purpose...because they have been shown time and time again, where they are wrong, they are provided information concerning how they are wrong, and yet they refuse to read it, toss it off with some sort of weird hand waving gesture, and still try to claim the moral high ground...it makes no sense...

Lying is lying, as far as I am concerned...if someone lies, they need to be called out for it, regardless of their position, regardless of what side of an arguement they support...whether one is a Christian,(in its many and varied denominations), an atheist, a Hindu, a Moslem, or whatever...lying is lying and lying is wrong...

[whattajoke]

When God created Adam in Eden, there was no death and he would have lived forever and walked with God to the Glory of God our Father.

Which story about Adam's creation is the right one? the dust one or the "poof" from thin air one?

However, he disobeyed God and seperated himself by this sin and all creation with him, and us as descendents of Adam.

So... God kinda screwed up and created a flawed creation? Hm. Interesting.

[Right Wing Professor]

This judge is no more qualified to decide whether intelligent design is science than the man on the moon, but acting on his perceived motivation of some of the board members, he alone made it a religious issue.

On the other hand, Philip Johnson, a law proefssor, is perfectly qualified to write a series of books critical of evolution.

[whattajoke]

When God created Adam in Eden, there was no death and he would have lived forever and walked with God to the Glory of God our Father.

Which story about Adam's creation is the right one? the dust one or the "poof" from thin air one?

However, he disobeyed God and seperated himself by this sin and all creation with him, and us as descendents of Adam.

So... God kinda screwed up and created a flawed creation? Hm. Interesting.

[forsnax5]

Deterioration Placemarker.

Seconded!

DETERIORATA

Go placidly amid the noise and waste and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself and heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys; know what to kiss and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance ... Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore; it will stick to your face ... Reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive him to be--Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up.

Author -- Tony Hendra

[js1138]

So... God kinda screwed up and created a flawed creation? Hm. Interesting.

Being omniscient, God would know in advance how it all turns out. It's a mystery to me how you disobery a creator who knows in advance how you are going to behave, and who designed you do do exactly whatever it is you do.