Dover district legal fees likely to top $1 million Intelligent design suit lawyers dismissed

The Patriot News ^ | Friday, January 06, 2006 | BY BILL SULON Of The Patriot-News

[highball]

Judge Jones followed precedent every step of the way in his jurisprudence; in point of fact he had no choice; to do otherwise would have been an act of the very "judicial activism" for which his detractors have such contempt

An excellent point. Unfortunately, for too many "conservatives," judicial activism is okay so long as the new laws made up fit their political agenda.

The only "activists" in this case were the nutballs on the school board who lied and connived to change the science curriculum to suit their personal religious beliefs and preferences, and the fanatical zealots in the anti-Evo PR organizations and the law firm who egged them on.

We have a winnah, folks....

[jude24]

And if you forget to pay, Spitzer's goons break your legs

Actually, I know someone that the AG did file against to recover for his school debts. They don't break legs; they use process servers and lawyers. It tends to be more effective.

[Senator Bedfellow]

True story. A couple of years ago, I consolidated what I had left of some student loans, but one of them didn't make it onto the stack for some reason. In the interim, after consolidating, I moved and pretty much forgot about it in all the shuffle and haste of moving. Until one day Elliot's boys delivered some registered mail to me, that is. Never wrote a check so fast in me life ;)

[jude24]

Unfortunately, for too many "conservatives," judicial activism is okay so long as the new laws made up fit their political agenda.

And even more frequently, "judicial activism" is nothing more than a buzzword used to describe an opinion someone doesn't like and doesn't understand the law behind.

There are actual judicial activists, but they are nowhere nearly as common as some would have you believe.

[DBeers]

Should Christians be allowed to lie under oath in federal court?

LOL -maybe they should -I mean when they took the oath what did they pledge and to who did they pledge? Did the pledge to God or to the moral relative secular humanist deity of self, feelings and situational ethics that leftists worship - really why pledge upon absolute truth if not pledging to the one true God that establishes such truth absolutely?

If truth is absolutely and objectively based then NO they should not lie regardless of any oath or pledge; however, IF truth is moral relatively based and subjectively determined how can one determine WHO lies or if any lie -WHO is to judge objectively what is absolutely premised when even God who establishes such absolute premise is not considered real?

Absolute and basic human inalienable rights derive from our Creator as do responsibilities, moral laws etcetera... Take away the Creator -take away what He created...

Are they going to Hell for that?

If they lied -they may be going to hell -who knows -only God... They of course can repent and be forgiven etcetera...

[furball4paws]

Deterioration Placemarker.

[microgood]

Yes. The First Amendment prohibits establishment of religion, and the 14th applies the First to the States. The judge had the mandate to overrule an unconstitutional action on the part of the school board. He could no more ignore that mandate than he could ignore any other part of the Constitution.

This case has nothing to do with religion. What the judge decided was that the people that wanted to do it were religiously motivated in doing it(I guess this self-appointed God can read minds as well). This judge is no more qualified to decide whether intelligent design is science than the man on the moon, but acting on his perceived motivation of some of the board members, he alone made it a religious issue.

The motivation of the Dover school board, though irrelevant to the statement on intelligent design read to the students, was the only way this jerk judge could shoehorn a religious nature into the trial. He should have ruled on the religious nature of the statement being read to the students, not on the motivation of the school board. But, being the activist liberal he is, he ruled on his hatred of religion.

It was similar to a ruling in Georgia, where another liberal judge did exactly the same thing. In that case it was less clear why the statement was added (no direct knowledge of the intent of the school board) so that guy had to use the Vulcan-mind meld technique, but the outcome is exactly the same.

[dread78645]

"repent and be forgiven etcetera" placemark

[Gumlegs]

Laugh-a-minute Christians lying under oath placemarker.

[jude24]

What the judge decided was that the people that wanted to do it were religiously motivated in doing it(I guess this self-appointed God can read minds as well).

When you are willing to actually listen, and not just blindly rant, then get back to me.

[DBeers]

Laugh-a-minute Christians lying under oath placemarker.

Thanks but NO THANKS! Keep the hatred all to yourself in the future...

LOL

[highball]

Ah, that's rich. The "there is no morality if you don't subscribe to my religion" ploy.

As though the only reason adults do the right thing is because we might get punished if we don't.

[Gumlegs]

Hmmm. They were Christians. They lied under oath. You found it funny.

And my pointing that out is "hate."

Are fires caused by firemen?

[highball]

Keep the hatred all to yourself in the future...

It's hardly "hatred" to point out that these "good Christian" school board members lied and lied and lied and lied and when they got caught they lied some more....

[DBeers]

Ah, that's rich. The "there is no morality if you don't subscribe to my religion" ploy

Simply pointing out the absurdity... LOL

Did they pledge to tell the truth so help them God or not? Simple observation that objectively say quite much regrding that which underlies the controversy that this case just touches the tip of... In my opinion the real issue is WHY is the state eradicating God from public institutions?

[DBeers]

Are fires caused by firemen?

Are lies caused by Christians? LOL you make your own hole and fall into it...

[DBeers]

It's hardly "hatred" to point out that these "good Christian" school board members lied and lied and lied and lied and when they got caught they lied some more....

Conflating "good Christian" with lying lying lying is nothing more that anti-Christian bigotry bigotry bigotry... Really simple concept...

[highball]

Did they pledge to tell the truth so help them God or not?

They might have, they might not have. It's not required in most courts - in most jurisdictions one may simply "affirm" when they're sworn in.

n my opinion the real issue is WHY is the state eradicating God from public institutions?

False question. This isn't about "removing" anything - it's about the school board trying to insert their personal religion into science classes to the exclusion of all others in what they knew was a clear violation of the Constitution (or they wouldn't have tried so desperately to hide it).

[Gumlegs]

Are lies caused by Christians?

I never said they were. I said Christians lied, and under oath, at that.

Ever read for comprehension?

LOL you make your own hole and fall into it...

Speak for yourself.

[DBeers]

You want a piece of me? LOL