Posted on 01/04/2006 10:59:01 PM PST by Dajjal
Yes, I read the article. CAIR condemns terrorists too...so what? We're supposed to try to understand a bunch of crazy people? Why? They're out to destroy us because they are insane. Whether they're doing it on behalf of a pedophile (Mohammed) or belief in little green men from Mars, it doesn't matter one bit. It is kill or be killed...not time to have hug therapy and understanding. Some people just don't get it that there is no singing Kumbayah, buying the world a Coke, and living in harmony with jihadists. They must be annihilated.
Actually, it may well affect their lives, but it does not impel them to strap on a junk laden vest loaded with the 'Mother of Satan' and go hobnob in a crowd somewhere.
Christianity preaches a future, if not in this life, then in the next, without slaughter as a prerequisite.
The presence of belief in Allah is Messiahhood. The coming of Prophet 'Isa (as) is a miracle from Allah.
So, if I don't believe in Allah, I'm in league with Dajjal (the AntiChrist)?
Are you familiar with Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi and the Hojatieh cult? This is the man whom Ahmadinejad is following.
Makes you understand why the anti-U.S., anti-Israel, anti-Europe rhetoric has increased so much, and why he seems to want to provoke an attack.
That being said about Ahmadinejad, I'm not quite sure why Khamenei is allowing it to go this far, unless he feels he can reign in Ahmadinejad before the bombs actually start heading toward Iran.
... we'll kill 'em right, we will. Damn eggheads.
According to the ways the hadith are being interpretted, there will be nuclear bombs going off, but they will not hurt Muslims.
I kid you not.
If the US or Israel aims a nuke at a Muslim nation, they say, the missile will backfire or go awry and come down on the Westerners themselves. But not just that. Allah will direct the winds, etc. so that no radiation fallout will injure any true believers (I guess if there are Muslim casualties, that just prove they lacked faith). Oh, and the Muslim real estate will not be damaged.
Allah can do anything, so why not?
What about bunker busters?
These people survived the 8yr war with Iraq, which killed an estimated 1/2 million Iranians and injured that many more, so they know what war is.
Okay, I'm going to try to summarize in general how it is that Western Civilization is the Dajjal, for those imams who read Dajjal as a metaphor, and not a literal individual person.
Note: This is not what Harun Yahya says -- this is put together from a bunch of sources.
a) As Smokin' Joe noted in Post# 55, the word "Dajjal" literally translates as "Deceiver."
b) From the Muslim, Qur'anic point of view, Jesus was a prophet of Allah, who taught that Allah is the One Undifferentiated God. Anyone who says that God is a Trinity of Three Persons, and that Jesus is one of those Divine Person, is deceiving. If he says it because he believes it, he is both deceived and deceiving.
So Christianity is itself an AntiChrist, because it is teching the opposite of what Christ taught.
But that’s not all.
c) But the Dajjal of the hadith is not merely a deceiver - he is the greatest menace ever to scourge the earth from Adam to the Last Trumpets.
d) At the time Muhammed was alive, the Christians were not the Dajjal. They might have been deceived and deceitful, but back then they generally kept to themselves in Europe and thereabouts. For those imams, this “explains” why in Muhammed’s hadith, he talks about the Dajjal as an evil yet to come.
e) The Christians didn’t start menacing the whole planet until the explorers of the 15th and 16th centuries.
f) So now we get into the history of colonization of the world by the European Christian powers, the exploitation of nonwhite races throughout the world, slavery, the pillaging of the world’s land and natural resources by the conquering European nations, etc., etc., etc.
g) Meanwhile, with the Age of Enlightenment, European people are becoming more secular, agnostic, and atheistic (more levels of deceitfulness). With the progress of science and technology, they care more about external material things than about internal spiritual pursuits. With the rise of industrial capitalism, people and the environment are exploited on every level, and the West truly becomes a menace to the entire globe.
h) And let’s not forget the spread of Western Culture throughout the world. On the one hand you have musical instruments, immodestly dressed women, novels and films spreading sinful morality, etc.
On the other hand you have Christian missionaries converting people around the world, slandering Muhammed and the Qur’an, and working hand-in-hand with the governments and banks back in Europe.
i) I’ve been focusing on the Christianity of the West, but my Jewish friends should not feel left out. That’s where the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” comes in. The Trinitarian Christians may be the figurehead Deceivers menacing the globe, but behind the scenes they themselves are being led around by a secret council of Jewish planners and financiers pulling the strings.
j) Q.E.D. The Dajjal is a metaphor for the West.
k) Now in the hadith Muhammed prophesies that the Mahdi will arise who will be the greatest Muslim since Muhammed. Isa (the Qur’an’s version of Jesus) will descend on a cloud and fight under the Mahdi in jihad. Together they will kill the Dajjal and spread Islam and shar’ia law throughout the planet.
l) Okay, now we’re going to get into some tricky interpretation here. Is the Mahdi an individual person, or a metaphor for a social movement of Muslims to oppose Western Civilization and all that it stands for? If he’s an individual, will the Mahdi be the actual person to dual with the Dajjal, or might he be an individual who gets the ball rolling whereby the Dajjal’s inevitable demise is set in motion (*cough*OBL*cough*).
If the Dajjal is a metaphor, why shouldn’t the Mahdi be a metaphor?
But if a literal person, there are lots and lots of candidates in the past and present, and I’m sure there will be more in the future. An imam can pick his favorite one.
m) Now, what does “killing the Dajjal” mean? For some terrorist imams, that means chopping off the heads of Westerners.
For the nicer, pacifist, we-are-in-the-end-times imams, that means the Mahdi will (“like Muhammed”) be a preacher and will convert the West to Islam. The hadith says that “the sun will rise in the west,” so this is interpreted to mean that Islam will spread throughout the West.
n) After killing the Dajjal, the Mahdi will govern the planet in perfect peace and prosperity. Then the trumpets will sound, time will end, and the Day of Judgment will arrive. Allah will judge all souls (well, except for the prophets and martyrs since they are already in Paradise) and they will go to Paradise or Hell for all eternity.
o) I’ve dealt with the Dajjal as a metaphor for Western Civilization. For a more literal treatment of the Dajjal as a coming future individual person who will use the Western nations, the UN, etc. as his power base, revise the scenario accordingly.
p) Again, I myself am an amillennialist. I do not believe we are living in the End Times, whether by this prophecy or that prophecy. I don’t particularly mind if someone does choose to believe in millennialism, unless that person starts using that as an excuse to attack my countrymen. At that point I take it as my duty to alert my fellow countrymen and our allies as to how millennial beliefs are a factor in the attacks.
Thanks.
I thought Islamic Dragger got banned. and the "end times" for Muslims may be very soon if they keep messing with us.
That's insane!
You're right! It should be TEACHING. Thanks for catching the typo!
So Jesus would be appalled to see followers believing he's the second person of some Trinity. And the hadith foretell that when he comes again, he will destroy all the churches and tear down all the crucifixes.
For an encore maybe you could pollute the site with some extended mumblings from the Scientologists.
Okay, whining over.
weird ping. read the whole thing...it's not what you think.
Is this your personally held conviction?
No. I am a Roman Catholic. In case of emergency, please call a priest for me.
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