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Global Warming...Poppycock
Iceagenow ^ | 2004 | Professor David Bellamy

Posted on 12/29/2005 8:15:58 AM PST by scouse

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To: SpaceBar
I have however suspected over the years that submarine vulcanism is peculiarly absent from various global heat budget discussions.

That's because it's not a factor in the atmospheric or oceanic climate heat budget (but subcrustally, the heat flow is important; that, in fact, was what led Thomas Wolery and Norman Sleep to surmise that ocean water circulated through the ridges before any vents were discovered).

21 posted on 12/29/2005 1:14:12 PM PST by cogitator
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To: scouse

ping for bookmark.


22 posted on 12/29/2005 1:25:26 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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...submarine vulcanism is peculiarly absent from various global heat budget discussions...

That's because it's not a factor in the atmospheric or oceanic climate heat budget...

So let me get this straight. It's not a factor because it's not a factor?
23 posted on 12/29/2005 1:36:09 PM PST by SpaceBar
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What's your take on the 18,000 scientists opposed to Kyoto?


24 posted on 12/29/2005 1:59:41 PM PST by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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To: SpaceBar
It's not a factor because it's not a factor?

Yes. I re-read your comment, and you said (as close as I can remember) that submarine volcanism is peculiarly absent from global heat budget discussions.

When you say "global heat budget", I equate that with Earth's radiative balance, i.e., the amount of energy that the Earth receives from the Sun vs. the amount returned to space or stored in the climate system. Obviously, the oceans store and transfer a LOT of heat as a major part of the climate system. The amount of heat within the oceanic circulation is so large that any contribution from submarine volcanism is negligible.

And you might find these interesting:

SOME LIKE IT HOT (read the part about megaplumes)

Recent activity at Loihi Volcano (see diagram of thermal anomalies)

Cleft Segment

Summary: when underwater volcanoes erupt, they can warm up the water above them a little bit and for a little while, but this is not a significant factor in the oceanic heat budget.

25 posted on 12/29/2005 2:06:37 PM PST by cogitator
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What's your take on the 18,000 scientists opposed to Kyoto?

For one thing, Kyoto is all about international political grandstanding and very little about climate. But if you're talking about the OISM petition, (a) a lot of the signees weren't from fields directly related to climate science, (b) the document accompanying the petition was made to look like a Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper, so much so that the NAS had to issue a warning/disclaimer, and (c) being opposed to Kyoto doesn't necessarily mean that you think global warming is an unimportant issue, or worse, a hoax.

26 posted on 12/29/2005 2:10:49 PM PST by cogitator
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To: scouse

The ice age has already begun. In 20 years it will be in full swing. Learned that on Coast last night.


27 posted on 12/29/2005 2:13:32 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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Figured there was a lot more to it than stated in the article. I've just been very leery of any UN related initiatives like Kyoto that might impinge on our sovereignty.


28 posted on 12/29/2005 2:19:33 PM PST by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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I've just been very leery of any UN related initiatives like Kyoto that might impinge on our sovereignty.

Our economic reliance on foreign oil imports is going to be a lot more important to our national sovereignty than anything done by the UN that's related to climate change.

29 posted on 12/29/2005 2:22:18 PM PST by cogitator
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Well, actually at the moment the FTAA and the coming American Union ala the EU is the most critical threat to our sovereignty.......if it goes through as planned say goodbye to the Constitution and the protections to our liberty it provides.


30 posted on 12/29/2005 2:45:00 PM PST by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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To: scouse

This thread immediately plunged into George Noory -- Art Bell without the credibility -- but here is an interesting take on climate change by Dr Michael Crichton.

http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speeches/complexity/complexity.html

Very current, very valid, very thoughtful.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


31 posted on 12/29/2005 9:14:21 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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