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Merry Christmas Madalyn Murray O’Hair (Wherever You Are)
NewMediaJournal.US ^ | 12/22/05 | Brian Cherry

Posted on 12/26/2005 1:48:12 PM PST by SunSetSam

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To: imskylark

Mean-spirited does not necessarily equal evil.

Instead of condemning the "evil" woman who "wields complete control" over your mother-in-law, it might be helpful to ask why your mother-in-law is so easily led.

If she's not of sound mind, your spouse can get a court order to recover "control" of her.


41 posted on 12/26/2005 4:29:28 PM PST by Xenalyte (Tom Cruise is in my closet and he won't come out.)
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To: SunSetSam
What is actually worse for these folks is that very few Atheists are actually true Atheists. Many, even possibly Madalyn Murray O’Hair, hold a very deep belief in God, but they hate him.

That was my take on her, too.

I heard and interview of her on the radio years ago. She didn't say one thing that would lead me to believe that she was an atheist.

But she did say a lot to lead me to believe that she hated God. And the longer she spoke, the more angry she sounded. She is the closest thing I've ever heard to anyone that I thought could be "demon possessed". It was almost scary listening to her.

She was an ugly, angry woman, inside and out.

42 posted on 12/26/2005 4:34:13 PM PST by manwiththehands ("Laura and I send our best wishes for a happy Kwanzaa." -President George W. Bush 12/19/2005)
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To: jennyp
Did you even know that there are conservative atheists?

I've yet to see anything conservative about most of them. Conservative don't ally themselves with the ACLU to over rule local control and duly elected representatives. Most of them here stay on the darwin threads and kvetch about the "theocracy" - when they aren't referring to Christians as the Taliban. (anyone who thinks we are approaching a theocracy in the US really needs his/her head examined)

43 posted on 12/26/2005 4:35:45 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: SunSetSam

I DO. All public monies are to be spent on the SECULAR PUBLIC.


44 posted on 12/26/2005 4:37:31 PM PST by termie22 (YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME)
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To: nmh

I would probably read her diary, if I stumbled across it. I don't think I'd do a search for it, I'm not that interested.


45 posted on 12/26/2005 4:39:36 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Hacksaw
...when they aren't referring to Christians as the Taliban. (anyone who thinks we are approaching a theocracy in the US really needs his/her head examined)

I agree. When everyone is forced into mandatory prayers and scripture readings and a certain percentage of their income forced to be tithed to a church, we can start talking about living in a theocracy. Until then, I treat such comments the same as I do folks who seriously believe Bush is worse than Hitler.

46 posted on 12/26/2005 4:39:48 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Santa Claus is an illegal alien.)
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To: SunSetSam

MY little rant? LOL. Christians are just the most blatant and overwhelming.


47 posted on 12/26/2005 4:40:51 PM PST by termie22 (YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME)
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To: SunSetSam
Because it seems all their efforts are focused against one religion,

Well, if the Pledge of Allegiance said "Under Allah" instead of "Under God", I think those atheists would take a little more interest in suppressing Islam. But that's not what it says.

Obviously, the reason why some atheists in the U.S. have a bone to pick with Christianity is that it is the dominant religion in the U.S., particularly if you count Catholicism and Protestantism as one. And that dominance is reflected in our many traditions.

So while I don't agree with the efforts to strip God out of the public sphere, there is a rather easy explanation as to why the focus seems to be on Christianity. Extensive layman's psychoanalysis is hardly necessary.

I think a good argument could be made for the author being on the right track.

I suppose so, but he hasn't made it. As I said, I'd say I'm probably roughly on the same page as him with regards to his central objections. It is his attempt to explain atheists and their beliefs that I find lacking.

48 posted on 12/26/2005 4:43:31 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969

God, Allah, it's all the same BS.


49 posted on 12/26/2005 4:46:38 PM PST by termie22 (YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME)
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To: fish hawk
Why don't you correct and rewrite the article in your manner?

Well, because there'd be no article left once I removed all the superfluous psychoanalysis.

Then we will see how many agree with your point of view.

Let me be clear. There are two ideas we're dealing with here. One is the objection to atheists' attempts to remove religion from the public sphere. On that score, the author and I are likely in considerable agreement.

The other idea is the author's attempt to explain why atheists act as they do, and what they should believe if they really were atheists. It is that idea, which pervades this entire article, that I have a beef with. When non-Christians do the same, and try to tell me what I'm supposed to believe as a Christian, it's frankly off-putting and usually incorrect. When someone tells me I "hate gays" because I happen to believe all extra-marital sexual activity is sin, they're wrong. Well, it cuts the other way, too.

Again, just because we're on the same side doesn't mean that ever argument made on our side is a good one.

I'd be willing to bet there would be at least one person who would say, "what a dumb article".

Fine with me. That's the chance one takes when one puts their writing out in public.

50 posted on 12/26/2005 4:48:23 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: Bommer
I think your tagline is a hoax

No, that's what they want you to believe. Because Piltdown Man didn't fit in to the storyline of the evolutionist's fairy tale (which even that webpage admits), they had to sweep it under the rug. They came up with this newfangled "fluorine absortion test", and using evolutionary (uniformatarian) presuppositions, declared that the different parts of the skull came from different ages. They also declared that the teeth had been filed down to make it look like they were old, but they failed to mention that Piltdown Man may have simply been in the habit of eating raw vegetables from sandy soil without adequately washing them first.

In short, they constructed a Big Lie to discredit this inconvenient find. Evolution? This fossil says "No!"

51 posted on 12/26/2005 4:51:26 PM PST by jennyp (PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL! The evolutionist's story that Piltdown was a hoax is the REAL hoax!)
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To: termie22

Whatever makes you sleep better at night.


52 posted on 12/26/2005 4:51:39 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: nmh; Ditter
Like other information, it was in the news. I don't personally read all their documents either. Do you?

rather "fake, but accurate"

53 posted on 12/26/2005 4:52:29 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Hacksaw
Did you even know that there are conservative atheists?

I've yet to see anything conservative about most of them. Conservative don't ally themselves with the ACLU to over rule local control and duly elected representatives.

Well, except for those conservatives who still believe this is a republic & not a democracy. :-)
54 posted on 12/26/2005 4:55:05 PM PST by jennyp (PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL! The evolutionist's story that Piltdown was a hoax is the REAL hoax!)
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To: mcg1969
"Under God" is a general heading. Allah is a God, Zeus is a God, Ra is a God, Elvis is a God; the argument that "Under God" only applies to one religious sect falls down completely on the broad scope of the word God. The Christian God does have a name and ways he is referred to. As far as I know the pledge does not have the words "Under Yahweh" or under "The Great I Am" in it. Atheist focus is squarely on Christians. Until they stop acting like a group who has a singular hate for a singular God, they will stop looking like children disobeying a parent they dislike.
55 posted on 12/26/2005 4:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam
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To: manwiththehands
I've got a friend rapidly going down her path. For an atheist he's awfully obsessed with religion. More and more he can't resist working God and Christianity in everything he says and does. Yesterday we were arguing about whether the Chinese places would be open, and I said that they'd probably be open because it's a huge shopping day and they probably didn't even celebrate Christmas, and he couldn't resist going into a tirade about how immigrants were -forced- into accepting Christianity to gain citizenship and how culture and society presses Christianity onto you. (????) We did have our lunch, but we won't be friends much longer if he keeps it up.

I can't bring myself to hate or even dislike him or Madalyn Murray O'Hair, though, despite what evil she's done... they're so pitiful, so lost...
56 posted on 12/26/2005 4:57:41 PM PST by Seamoth
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To: SunSetSam

Not sure where you are coming from. There have been 25,000 gods from throughout the course of human history. None of them are any more real than any other... That also includes angels, devils, fairies, the easter bunny, santa claus... I am unaware of any hatred (not on my part anyway). It's simply a good idea (fable to be used as allegory) gone out of control.


57 posted on 12/26/2005 5:02:24 PM PST by termie22 (YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME)
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To: nmh

Interesting. I didn't know she had another son besides the one that was killed with her.

I can't imagine the nightmares this guy must still have!


58 posted on 12/26/2005 5:08:07 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: SunSetSam

(To the atheist, Christmas is the outward expression and amplification of all the fears and doubts they won’t publicly acknowledge.)

Time to call them Christophobic. Doesn't the gay lobby call critics homophobic? In this instance Christophobic would actually describe them well, otherwise they wouldn't be so bothered by Christianity.


59 posted on 12/26/2005 5:11:28 PM PST by winner3000
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To: jennyp; struwwelpeter

"A postmodernist could easily have written that."

Yep. But in this case, it was a Christian convert.
He was able to forsee the outcome of full-bore materialism, which gave us
a century of Nazism and Communism.

I've not read all of his books, but I understand that most have at least one
derelict character that ends up being a repentent "prodigal son".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Dostoevsky


60 posted on 12/26/2005 5:12:53 PM PST by VOA
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