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Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9

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To: mlc9852
How am I rejecting anything by saying "I don't know"? Even real scientists often don't agree on things so what's the big deal?

You could say the age of the earth is approximate. You could even specify an estimate of probable error.

But to say you don't know means you basically reject physical science.

361 posted on 12/21/2005 11:05:00 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Strategerist
Doesn't it make you just a tad suspicious that the scientists trotted out opposing evolution are basically entirely lab-based theoreticians?

First of all, I think we should stop for a moment and examine your operating assumptions. Your post is dripping with presuppositional contempt for the professional qualifications of those people who disagree with you. I realize that as a Darwinist there is no rational basis for according a fundamental dignity to other human beings -- they're just matter in motion, the products of an undirected, value-less process, so maybe I should not expect any more. But from the point of view of this discussion, let's just acknowledge that you're not approaching this scientifically, but dogmatically.

Secondly, you are attempt to dodge my point -- hey, that's unusual!!! -- and take the discussion in a new direction. I was countering some genius' claim that these people couldn't speak to issues of biology because they were chemists! Anyone who has any understanding of science -- to borrow a phrase -- realizes that to claim that you can't speak to biology because you are an expert in chemistry is about as stupid a statement as there is.

Maybe if I have time I'll engage you in a discussion as to why the fields of paleontology and geology have becomes as inbred as you say they have.

362 posted on 12/21/2005 11:06:13 AM PST by jbloedow
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To: add925
Post # 12......
Public School Fact: Religious Student doesn't believe in Darwinism = F in class

Atheist Student doesn't believe in Religion, subscribes to Darwinism = A in class

Religious descrimination at its worst.

Sending kids to public schools will guarantee religious discrimination...take the hint.

Do you have trouble keeping track of what you say?
Does my formatting meet your standards now?
363 posted on 12/21/2005 11:09:10 AM PST by newcats (Happy Reversal Of The Planet's Axial Wobble Day!!!!!)
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To: js1138

What I reject is your nonsense. Merry Christmas.


364 posted on 12/21/2005 11:09:47 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
You are not graded on your belief or disbelief; you are graded on your understanding of the material presented.

So....by your arguement, shouldn't Creationism be taught in Public School, where students are not graded on your belief or disbelief; you are graded on your understanding of the material presented.

After all, Creationism was around long before Darwinism and is a part of our culture. You know, like music, art, athletics...necessary to make a well rounded individual kinda thing.

I'll be curious to read your reply.

365 posted on 12/21/2005 11:15:53 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: newcats
Does my formatting meet your standards now?

Just barely, see my post to the other Atheist and see if you can answer my question.

366 posted on 12/21/2005 11:17:17 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: metmom
Hey, you that's making sense... What are you doing on this kind of thread?

Trying to remind us that we by-in-large agree with one another.

367 posted on 12/21/2005 11:17:50 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Strategerist
Actually a heck of a lot of evolutionists haven't read Origin of Species

A lot of judges and law professors haven't read the constitution, either.

368 posted on 12/21/2005 11:19:17 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: add925

"So....by your arguement, shouldn't Creationism be taught in Public School, where students are not graded on your belief or disbelief; you are graded on your understanding of the material presented."

Taught as what? Science? Part of a class on religion? Should we teach every religion's creation story, or just the one found in Genesis? Which version of what people derive from Genesis? Kent Hovind's version? Bishop Usher's?

"After all, Creationism was around long before Darwinism and is a part of our culture. You know, like music, art, athletics...necessary to make a well rounded individual kinda thing."

Fine, it goes in as part of a general course on comparative religion.

You want a comparative religion course in your school district? Let your school board know about it.


369 posted on 12/21/2005 11:22:39 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: add925
Just barely, see my post to the other Atheist and see if you can answer my question.

Nice try....focus grasshopper
Still waiting for YOUR proof of those "facts".
Until then, I will take my victory lap now.
370 posted on 12/21/2005 11:22:44 AM PST by newcats (Happy Reversal Of The Planet's Axial Wobble Day!!!!!)
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To: jbloedow
Maybe if I have time I'll engage you in a discussion as to why the fields of paleontology and geology have becomes as inbred as you say they have.

Being a trained paleontologist or geologist with field experience who is a creationist is like being an architect who doesn't believe in gravity; it's almost impossible to function.

371 posted on 12/21/2005 11:24:55 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Elsie

Whoops! Excuse me! The dry period would have resulted in a replacing of the rain forest with the savannah -- hence no, or far fewer trees. Or so the hypothesis goes...


372 posted on 12/21/2005 11:25:20 AM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: newcats
Not so fast, grasshoppah:

Public School Fact: Religious Student doesn't believe in Darwinism = F in class

This is a repeat of another post of mine, let's say a student taking a science test on Darwin's theory of evolution turns the paper back, blank, and says "my religion and heritage teaches me differently. There are no correct choices on this exam".

Would you agree this senario would result in an F on the exam?

373 posted on 12/21/2005 11:28:04 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: add925

"Therefore, a religious student in Public School is FORCED to either memorize Darwinism and regurgitate it, or fail the test."

Only in the same way that they memorize spelling words, math functions, history etc. etc. Memorization of information doesn't equal conversion to Darwin.

And there is no such thing as memorizing Darwinism. You learn the scientific information and either pass or fail a test on it. The only discrimination here seems to be the bias against public schools in general.


374 posted on 12/21/2005 11:30:55 AM PST by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: Strategerist
Being a trained paleontologist or geologist with field experience who is a creationist is like being an architect who doesn't believe in gravity; it's almost impossible to function.

Yeah, but if he succeeds, it will be spectacular.

375 posted on 12/21/2005 11:31:12 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: add925

"This is a repeat of another post of mine, let's say a student taking a science test on Darwin's theory of evolution turns the paper back, blank, and says "my religion and heritage teaches me differently. There are no correct choices on this exam"."

OK, let's change the scenario a bit:

The exam is in property law. The student belongs to a religion that does not recognize private property (say, Marxism/Leninism). He turns the paper back, blank, and says "my religion and heritage teaches me differently. There are no correct choices on this exam."

OK, time to grade his paper.

1. Would he fail the exam?

2. As his failure is a product of his "religion," does this not equal religious discrimination?

Do you see that there is no constitutional right to not be offended?


376 posted on 12/21/2005 11:36:18 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
You want a comparative religion course in your school district? Let your school board know about it.

Actually I don't. I wanted Public Schools to come out and CLEARLY state their allegiance to either Darwinism or Creationism.

With this court ruling, they have.

Now, many parents have the FREEDOM to make a more "educated" choice on where to educate their kids...Darwin Central Middle School, private schools or home schools.

The ruling was a victory because it helped educate parents what to expect from public education.

377 posted on 12/21/2005 11:36:41 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Uh... No?

What do I win?


378 posted on 12/21/2005 11:38:22 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Are you related to your niece? I am (my niece, not yours). I am clearly not in any fashion descended from my niece. We do, however, share a common ancestor.


379 posted on 12/21/2005 11:40:39 AM PST by dmz
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To: add925

"Actually I don't. I wanted Public Schools to come out and CLEARLY state their allegiance to either Darwinism or Creationism."

In other words, you wanted YOUR religious view taught as science, with the power of the state to back you up. Thank you for clarifying that.


380 posted on 12/21/2005 11:40:56 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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