Study Traces Egyptians' Stone-Age Roots

World Science ^ | 12-17-2005

[blam]

"To the extent that Irish found variations among the teeth, he wrote, many of those that differered most from the norm came from upper-class tombs.

That, he added, suggests these nobles had become genetically somewhat apart, perhaps through inbreeding."

Or, maybe they were different people like the ruling Samurai in Japan.

The Samurai And The Ainu

[FrogMom]

That, he added, suggests these nobles had become genetically somewhat apart, perhaps through inbreeding."

Or, maybe they were different people like the ruling Samurai in Japan.

Or, maybe they traveled more than the unwashed masses and actually brought in some new blood? Interesting to think about.

[blam]

I thought of you when I ordered the book, Maps Of The Ancient Sea Kings, Charles Hapgood. I remembered that you're a fan of his. I've just begun reading the book, interesting. Wish I knew more about the construction of maps though.

[blam]

I stumbled across this article and don't know where else to put it. Am I correct in reading this to be saying that the Ainu are basically a stand-alone racial group with some mixing around the edges?

Tissue Antigens
Volume 55 Page 128 - February 2000
doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2000.550204.x
Volume 55 Issue 2

Analysis of HLA genes and haplotypes in Ainu (from Hokkaido, northern Japan) supports the premise that they descent from Upper Paleolithic populations of East Asia

Authors' affiliations:M. Bannai1, J. Ohashi2, S. Harihara3, Y. Takahashi1, T. Juji4, K. Omoto5, K. Tokunaga2 Abstract:

The Ainu people are assumed to be the descendants of pre-agricultural native populations of northern Japan, while the majority of population of present-day Japan (Hondo-Japanese) is considered to have descended mainly from post-neolithic migrants.
Sequence-level polymorphisms of the HLA-class I (HLA-A and HLA-B) genes were investigated in DNA samples of 50 Ainu living in Hidaka district, Hokkaido. HLA-A*2402, A*0201, A*0206, A*2601, A*3101, B*1501, B*5101, B*3901, and B*3501 were observed at frequencies of more than 10% and most of these have previously been found in populations of not only Asians but also North and South American Indians.
A*68012, which has not so far been detected in Hondo-Japanese, was found in the Ainu (3%). On the other hand, several alleles common in Hondo-Japanese, including HLA-A*3303, A*1101, B*4403, B*5201, B*5401, B*4601, and B*0702 were infrequent in Ainu (0–1%).
Correspondence and neighbor-joining analyses of various populations based on HLA-A, -B and -DRB1 gene frequencies enabled distinction between Asian, Native South American, European, and African populations.
The Ainu, as well as Tlingit (Na-Dene), were placed midway between other East Asians, including Hondo Japanese, and Native South Americans (Amerindians) in the correspondence analysis.

Furthermore, several HLA-A-B and HLA-B-DR-DQ haplotypes common in the Ainu, are shared with some Native American populations. These observations strongly suggest a unique place for the Ainu as descendants of some Upper Paleolithic populations of East Asia, from whom some Native Americans may have descended.

[Coyoteman]

Not as familiar with all of the details for that area. I had assumed that original Ainu group was a part of the SE Asian/Indonesian group which followed the coast to the US (early coastal migration). This would account for the Tlingit (Na-Dene) connection as well.

I have seen a dissertation dealing with the New World segment of this that links a number of coastal groups, British Columbia to California.

[RightWhale]

More than a fan. He was a notorious curmudgeon in our town when I was a kid.

[blam]

"I had assumed that original Ainu group was a part of the SE Asian/Indonesian group which followed the coast to the US (early coastal migration). This would account for the Tlingit (Na-Dene) connection as well."

I agree and have no problem with that reading.

This article seems to say that the Ainu are not closely related to Europeans, Asians or Africans. So...are they a new racial group?

[blam]

Also, I have expected the Ainu to be the people Neves did his skull study on and also the 'bringers' of the haplotype-X to the Americas.

Remember too, Oppenheimer says the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10k years old.

[Coyoteman]

Not sure if this is the source of X.

Some of the early folks along the coast appear to be a mixture of A and D. (I have a paper around here somewhere...)

I will have to dig out my resources and take a good look at this -- real soon now. If you run into any good, recent, stuff, please send me the links.

[blam]

See post #24 and below.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Also, while the Badarians’ “artistic sense was not highly developed,”

Like we have room to talk...


"Picasso's portrait of his wartime
mistress Dora Maar, 'Bust of a Woman
Seated in a Chair,' 1939, sold for $4.7
million at Christie's auction of 20th
century art Tuesday. The painting
brought the second-highest price of
the night."

[SunkenCiv]

Ancient lakes of the Sahara
Innovations Report | Jan 19, 2006 | University of Reading
Posted on 1/21/2006 7:14:03 AM by Tyche
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1562135/posts

The Green Sahara, A Desert In Bloom
Science News, ScienceDaily | September 30, 2008 | Christian-Albrechts-Universitaet zu Kiel
Posted on 10/3/2008 2:55:57 PM by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2096856/posts

[SunkenCiv]