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Billion Dollar Photo? Civil Engineer Opinion Wanted (Vanity)
Street Tracks Gold Shares ^ | Dec 9, 2005 | Travis McGee

Posted on 12/09/2005 10:49:04 AM PST by Travis McGee

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To: Bender2

I think there are 12 troy ounces in a troy pound, not 16


81 posted on 12/09/2005 12:51:56 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

All they had to do was build their custom pallets with 5 riser webs.


82 posted on 12/09/2005 12:52:08 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Mr. Lucky
The point is that it's photoshopped. No owner of that amount of gold would permit it to be photographed.

It might be a set fake, but it's not a photoshop fake. The second photo with the people in it is taken from a slightly different angle, but closely matches in details that would be fiendishly difficult to fake in PS.

83 posted on 12/09/2005 12:54:39 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Travis McGee

This isn't like, guess how many jellybeans and win a prize. I think maybe who ever was staking it, got worn out towards the end.


84 posted on 12/09/2005 12:55:15 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Travis McGee; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro; Lijahsbubbe

85 posted on 12/09/2005 1:11:48 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; Travis McGee
40,000 lbs on an 8"x14"

I was thinking that the base looked like 50k# on two 2"x40" boards --coming out to about 300 psi.  No big deal for the base.   For the pallet boards we got for each inch of width about 200 # distributed over a 3 ft. span --believable.

I say the picture can be for real.

86 posted on 12/09/2005 1:15:24 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Travis McGee

What about the total load of the "gold" in the picture and its effect on the floor?


87 posted on 12/09/2005 1:24:27 PM PST by aculeus
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To: RightWhale
There used to be a place in Florida called the International Gold Buillon Exchange. The brilliant young founders of the operation were making mega-millionaires and the epitomy of success.

Upon request, interested investors and clients were provided tours of the gold vault. After several years of successful operation a prospective investor was examining the vault and requested A CLOSER LOOK.

He stepped forward and scratched a gold bar and his fingernail soon became coated in gold dust. This landed the bogus gold swindlers in the big house and left a crowd of many crying investors.

88 posted on 12/09/2005 1:31:43 PM PST by OrangeBlossomSpecial (DEAN, KERRY & HERPES : The gifts that keep on giving & giving & giving)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes, it is accurate, it was taken in my basement. ;)


89 posted on 12/09/2005 1:33:19 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I have a drink at night for my heart. Yeah, my heart, that's it.)
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To: aculeus
What about the total load of the "gold" in the picture and its effect on the floor?

Let's say each pallet weighs 3 tons.   Six pallets high is 18 tons = 36 kips.  Put that on square yard of concrete it comes out to about 30 pounds per sq.in.    Structurally this is nothing.  Everyone likes to go goofy over gold.  Gold salesmen know this.

90 posted on 12/09/2005 1:40:06 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Travis McGee; Alberta's Child
We need to know the exact weight of the gold above, and the sheer strength of the plywood.

Span Elasticity.
Looks like the joists members are 12 inches apart and the pallet is more or less square, that makes the load area 4 square foot. We can plug in some numbers (from a hazy memory) in lieu of more information to check if this is reasonable.

1" APA rated plywood on 12" centers:

Select grade - 1200 psf - 4800 lbs.
Marine grade - 1500 psf - 6000 lbs.

Looks reasonable to me ...

91 posted on 12/09/2005 1:45:22 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: expat_panama

Per the link ...

Total Gold in Trust:
Tonnes: 232.32
Ounces: 7,469,219
Value US$
3,851,491,895.52

IIRC, one tonne = 1000 kilograms.


92 posted on 12/09/2005 1:47:54 PM PST by aculeus
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To: LexBaird

Good point. But the fact is no holder of this amount of gold would ever reveal what the interior of the vault looked like, how the gold was stored, how the gold was inventoried, etc.


93 posted on 12/09/2005 1:53:28 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: expat_panama

There's a prospectus available at the link which I cant download due to time problems (other things to do) but taking a non-engineer approach, it's most relevant to note that this is a NYSE company which is filing SEC reports.

That means an outside audit firm is certifying their financials. Auditing 101 requires the auditors to verify the inventory. If the auditors are sane they would count every single bar, weigh several picked at random and send several random bars to a professional gold assessor before signing off on the financials.

Both NYSE and the SEC are not entities to fool with and blatant inventory fraud is too easy to detect.


94 posted on 12/09/2005 1:55:53 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Steve Van Doorn; Mr. Lucky
Did you check out the other photos before claiming this one is fake?


95 posted on 12/09/2005 1:56:30 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

It's in the basement of a very large building, just look at how massive those columns are and how closely space they are. That's to hold up a huge building.


96 posted on 12/09/2005 1:58:54 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: OrangeBlossomSpecial

I didn't want to mentino the IGBE swindle, but since you have done so............


97 posted on 12/09/2005 2:07:45 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: FreedomCalls

If this were a movie, you could bet the thieves were going to crawl into the vault through the air duct in the background.


98 posted on 12/09/2005 2:13:58 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: aculeus
Value US$  3,851,491,895.52

Amazing-- that's what I came up with when I figured 3 rows x 6 stacks @ 36 kips = 21 x 36 x 1000 x 12 x $500 = $4bill.  I hated structural analysis -- I had to take it twice to pass it once.   I love investing.  No heavy lifting and it pays better too.

99 posted on 12/09/2005 2:14:38 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: FreedomCalls
Ok the pics look real. It would be hard to fake these pics.

If it isn’t a set or a bunch of props from a movie then they must have a pile of broken pallets setting someplace.

100 posted on 12/09/2005 2:16:51 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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