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Lead poisoning made Beethoven grumpy
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | December 7, 2005 | JIM RITTER

Posted on 12/07/2005 4:05:48 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 12/07/2005 4:05:49 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I believe this. I have a lead pipe I use to "correct" my husband and it often makes him grumpy.


2 posted on 12/07/2005 4:06:57 PM PST by msnimje (Everyday there is a new example of the Democrats "Culture of Dementia")
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To: neverdem
Interesting. I have always known that Ludwig van Beethoven was an obnoxious genius.

However, my favorite is still J.S. Bach.
3 posted on 12/07/2005 4:10:17 PM PST by RKB-AFG (Pull the GOP back together by 2006!)
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To: neverdem
For the first time, said William Meredith of the Beethoven Center at San Jose State University, "we have actual scientific evidence about something that either caused Beethoven's death or contributed to it."

His heart stopped?

4 posted on 12/07/2005 4:14:24 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: neverdem
Beethoven was famously irritable and suspicious, and had few friends.

Exceptions can be made for Genius.

5 posted on 12/07/2005 4:16:35 PM PST by IronJack
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To: msnimje

"I believe this. I have a lead pipe I use to "correct" my husband and it often makes him grumpy."

LOL!!!

you are too funny!!! Thank you for the good laugh!!!

We need more of your input to give us a lighter day. Also, Dr. Williams gifts to his wife, "Mrs. Williams," comes to mind.

Thank you.


6 posted on 12/07/2005 4:17:13 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: neverdem

Beethoven Died From Lead Poisoning

7 posted on 12/07/2005 4:23:48 PM PST by blam
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To: neverdem

Perhaps. They say lead poisoning made the Roman emperors into psychopaths.

Increasing total deafness can make a musical genius incredibly grumpy.


8 posted on 12/07/2005 4:25:12 PM PST by cloud8
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To: neverdem

“Lead poisoning...”

Oh, hogwash. We all know it was DDT.


9 posted on 12/07/2005 4:31:44 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: neverdem

The Beethoven bone fragment belongs to California businessman Paul Kaufman. Kaufman's great-great uncle was an Austrian doctor who kept fragments after Beethoven's body was exhumed. The bones were passed down through the generations to Kaufman.

It appears the Kaufman family has a bone fetish. I know this was a famous person, but who in their right mind would pass down bones to their descendents? I'm surprised there isn't a claimed Beethoven descendent suing them for grave desecration and mental anguish.(Sarcasm)


10 posted on 12/07/2005 4:32:26 PM PST by reaganbooster
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I think it was the syphilis that made the Roman emperors psychopaths.
11 posted on 12/07/2005 4:33:04 PM PST by toothfairy86
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"I think it was the syphilis that made the Roman emperors psychopaths."

Interesting. I had never given that a thought. Extremely likely indeed. That suddenly explains a lot!

Thank you.


12 posted on 12/07/2005 4:38:37 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: RKB-AFG
I have always known that Ludwig van Beethoven was an obnoxious genius

We geniuses are often grumpy and obnoxious.

DUM DA DA DUMMMMM DUM DA DA Hey get out of here can't you see I'm working!

13 posted on 12/07/2005 4:39:24 PM PST by OSHA (murtha - n. A state of low morale after being betrayed by a person in a position of trust.)
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To: blam

Thanks for the link.


14 posted on 12/07/2005 4:43:57 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: toothfairy86

Is that Howard Dean's excuse?

What about Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton?

Perhaps they are all afflicting with forms of syphilitic dementia.........


15 posted on 12/07/2005 4:50:10 PM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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I think it was the syphilis that made the Roman emperors psychopaths.

No, syphilis is native to the America's, and was unknown in Europe before Columbus and the Spanish accidentally 'discovered' it.

I think the other poster was being humorous.

16 posted on 12/07/2005 4:51:14 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: msnimje

I have to bitch slap my ho' to keep her in line. She only bleeds from the lip when I'm really pissed.
It's just not as funny with the genders reversed.
What do you call a woman with two black eyes? Nothing. You already told her twice. Hahahahaha!
If the truth actually came out about how many guys like me were married to abusive wives, jokes like these would be as funny as holocaust jokes.


17 posted on 12/07/2005 4:53:12 PM PST by FNG ( Rant Off)
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To: jimtorr

I am confused (obviously). Then I was thinking of smallpox where the Europeans introduced that small pox to the New World.

As I am typing this, I am now remembering that syphilis was the New World's payback to the Europeans for their smallpox gift. Can you verify this?

Thank you.

P.S. Then it was DDT that also did in the Romans.


18 posted on 12/07/2005 5:03:05 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: neverdem

Well there you go: I never knew Beethoven ate paint chips.


19 posted on 12/07/2005 5:03:42 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: toothfairy86

> I think it was the syphilis that made the Roman emperors psychopaths.

Syphilis was brought to Europe from the New World by Columbus. Of composers, Schubert died of it.

But to get back to the thread.... when he had become deaf, LVB conversed with his friends--he had them--via pencil and paper in notebooks that have been preserved. No analysis of them that I'm aware of has ever suggested he had lead poisoning.


20 posted on 12/07/2005 5:03:52 PM PST by cloud8
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