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Impromptus: On Dean and Company
National Review Online ^ | 7 Dec 2005 | Jay Nordlinger

Posted on 12/07/2005 7:04:39 AM PST by Rummyfan

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To: ForGod'sSake

I sent the final draft to the copy editor last week. It is due on shelves May 06. Probably advance order on Amazon in April.


21 posted on 12/08/2005 6:00:50 AM PST by LS
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To: ForGod'sSake

Wait, are your referring to my latest, 'Why Americans Win Wars?' which is coming out May 06, or the history of journalism I'm still working on? I don't know when that one will be finished. I have a ton of analysis to do: I collected editorials, two per month, from each of the five leading papers (NY Times, WaPo, LA Times, Cleveland Plain Dealer, and Atlanta Journal) for a 12-year period to analyze the shift over time.


22 posted on 12/08/2005 6:02:19 AM PST by LS
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I'm still trying to explain that change. Part of it was a general "religiosity" that still clung to assuptions about a higher truth, so all reporting must be tempered with that in mind. For ex., there were some subjects that even Scripps or Pulitzer would not cover, as they thought it encouraged more immoral behavior (and Scripps was NOT a Christian, and hated religion).

I think, most of all, that this shows the "atheist's dilemma," which is that absent God, there is nothing to keep the train on the tracks, for eventually all logic says "you have your view of what is right and I have mine. Who's to say which is better?" and then you have chaos. That is where the MSM is today---no contraints, no view of basic good or of evil. Just the "story." In the book I'm working on about this, I quote an ad you might remember from the 1980s by ABC, where Peter Jennings ends by saying, "There is no truth, only news." Huh? If that is true, then that sentence is irrelevant---why should anyone believe that statement?

23 posted on 12/08/2005 6:09:32 AM PST by LS
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To: Rummyfan

For the life of me, I cannot figure out all these anti-American libs. (I've thought about this a LOT). And there's NO question it's antipathy for their country that informs their politics.

Is is it their genes? Whatever it is, it seems to be a pattern that such people are less inhibited from vile language/behavior. The Dems "scorched earth" politics remind me a lot of the "Dis culture" of gangsta rap. These people also display an uncanny sense of moral superiority. (As a conservative, I don't think of myself as superior---more like, just normal.)

I'm serious. What makes a person derive all his political positions from his belief that America is evil, stupid, corrupt, etc.? For some young people it can be put down to being "fashionable". But it makes no sense whatsoever when we're talking about well-to-do senators and the like. But it's not just posturing. Their knee-jerk response to most subjects is to blame America, find fault with soldiers/policemen, etc.

What explains this?! I just don't believe a normal, rational person can hold these beliefs while living in this society and being almost "lionized" for "holding America accountable".


24 posted on 12/08/2005 7:21:03 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats!)
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To: LS
In the book I'm working on about this, I quote an ad you might remember from the 1980s by ABC, where Peter Jennings ends by saying, "There is no truth, only news."
Seems like I would remember that - if I had heard it.

How, you might ask, could I have avoided hearing it? By then I had learned from Reed Irvine's "Accuracy in Media" newsletter that "the media" were "biased," and I no longer believed that the public-spirited citizen naturally followed broadcast journalism. In fact, I had begun treating broadcast news as an ad for a product I wouldn't buy. For example, I have a clock radio set to come on at the start of Rush's show - not at 12:00 but 12:06, after "the news."

I confess the TV is on a lot during the evening, but unless I'm tuning in a football game I virtually forget that the broadcast bands even exist.


25 posted on 12/08/2005 3:47:07 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: FBD
Interesting points re Mencken on FDR and the New Deal policies. Seems the Dims may not have been in lockstep then as they are now. I've never done any research on FDR, but I'd be curious to know if he may have been a student of the social experiment that was the Bolshevik revolution and its progress(?). Was he in fact a socialist at heart???

Clemens' quotes are as accurate today as they were when he made 'em. Going back even farther, Thomas Jefferson had many unkind words re the media of the day. Now, these two fellows at least didn't appear to make any distinctions that I'm aware of when it came to the media. Their media vs our media so to speak. I don't know of any comments attributable to either one praising their contemporaries in the media. Interesting in and of itself.

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26 posted on 12/08/2005 4:30:06 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
So the system worked even with a flaw at its core - the flaw that even if your actual perspective is benign it is arrogant to believe that your can trnascend your own perspective and actually be objective.

The flaw may be fatal unless the BOD's and/or editors are willing to revisit/reinstate the hard and fast rules they established for themselves to mitigate bias. I don't know if it's too late for the MSM to revive itself or not. They have allowed(?) the internet and talk radio in particular to make huge inroads into their kingdom. Whether by choice or by chance, the result is the same; they are bleeding profusely. From where I sit, the conservative media appears to be gaining on 'em.

You might argue the point, but LS's comments re the loss of a religious foundation that was once shared by those in the media makes a lot of sense. Relativism is the bastard child of a media, or culture, without a moral compass. A "Ten Commandants of Journalism" might do wonders for their bottom lines. And the good they could do...

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27 posted on 12/08/2005 5:00:41 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: LS
...or the history of journalism I'm still working on?

That's the one. I can't wait to get my hands on it. Will you be needing a proof reader?   ;^)

28 posted on 12/08/2005 5:03:25 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: LS

Just excellent points IMHO.


29 posted on 12/08/2005 5:04:48 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Timeout
What makes a person derive all his political positions from his belief that America is evil, stupid, corrupt, etc.? For some young people it can be put down to being "fashionable". But it makes no sense whatsoever when we're talking about well-to-do senators and the like. But it's not just posturing. Their knee-jerk response to most subjects is to blame America, find fault with soldiers/policemen, etc.

What explains this?! I just don't believe a normal, rational person can hold these beliefs while living in this society and being almost "lionized" for "holding America accountable".

I think it's a kind of desperation for adequacy and it is, ironically, found at both extremes of American society. In the poor it is, seemingly, explicable: "I don't have, and everyone else does, so what does that make me?" In the rich it seems to be a combination of condescending pity for "the poor" (who BTW are as well off as the middle class was fifty years ago) and a desire to manifest distinctness from the middle class.

The middle class has no desire to tear down the rich and can't afford to patronize "the poor," since its separation from that status is a work in progress.

In any event, the phenomenon of American antiAmericanism puts me in mind of the story of the Almanac editor who received a draft prediction of the year's weather and called up its author:

"Look here," the editor said. "You are predicting that it will snow on the tenth of July. In all of recorded history it has never snowed on the tenth of July."

"No," the author replied, "and it probably won't this year either - but if it does, I'll be the darnedest prophet that ever lived!"

These people are so desperate to be superior to middle America that they make fantastic claims - and if any of them ever pans out they will, at least in their own minds, be amazing prophets.

30 posted on 12/08/2005 5:22:14 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Sure, I'd be happy to let you read a draft. In "Patriot's History of the United States," so-called amateurs picked more, and more important, errors than the so-called professional historians.


31 posted on 12/08/2005 5:59:59 PM PST by LS
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To: LS

Wonderful! I'll be around.


32 posted on 12/08/2005 6:54:44 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

>"but I'd be curious to know if he may have been a student of the social experiment that was the Bolshevik revolution and its progress(?). Was he in fact a socialist at heart???"<

-FDR was a Commie.




"Stalin is my brother"~ FDR

http://www.rooseveltmyth.com/RoadRussia/index.html

"There is no menace here in Communism...there is nothing wrong with the Communists in this country. Several of my best friends are Communist."~FDR


33 posted on 12/08/2005 8:27:43 PM PST by FBD (make April 15th just another day! www.fairtax.org)
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To: FBD
It's coming back to me now. I should have paid better attention in history. It's something I now regret but I'm hoping I can catch up one of these days. Thanks.

FGS

34 posted on 12/09/2005 7:29:34 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: LS
I collected editorials, two per month, from each of the five leading papers (NY Times, WaPo, LA Times, Cleveland Plain Dealer, and Atlanta Journal) for a 12-year period to analyze the shift over time.

Your reference to "editorials" didn't hit me until several days after reading your post. I have meant to get back to you on this point but have been distracted by other "issues". First of all, what 12 year period of time are you looking at. Was this a period of time in which you believe the newspapers were pretty much reporting straight news and leaving their opinions/advocacy on the editorial pages? IOW, could the news pages be trusted to have very little in the way of "advocacy" journalism??? I suppose what I'm trying to determine is will looking at just the editorials during this period of time develop the clues you seek?

FGS

35 posted on 12/21/2005 7:00:15 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
You make a good point, but I think if we can show a shift in the editorials that is obvious, it will go a long way toward arguing for media bias (it may not prove that bias affected news---a bogus claim, IMHO, but it would prove something).

Our sample is 12 years, 1958-1970; LA Times, WaPo, NY Times, Atlanta Constitution, and Cleveland Plain Dealer. It's gonna be a baseball bat between the eyes of the MSM.

36 posted on 12/22/2005 10:11:26 AM PST by LS
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To: LS
It's gonna be a baseball bat between the eyes of the MSM.

Heh. I get goosebumps just thinking about it. Thanks and good hunting.

And a Merry Christmas to you and yours.

FGS

37 posted on 12/22/2005 6:05:25 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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