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Native Americans Mourn Loss of Land With "Unthanksgiving" Rite
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Posted on 11/24/2005 5:13:54 PM PST by lainie
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To: muawiyah
Well since Japan is nothing but islands, they would have to have boat technology.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:29:59 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(I NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TAG LINE)
To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
It was Sequoia, of the Oklahoma Cherokees who developed their alphabet in the early 1800's. Oops. Right. My goof. It was their own language, but later, when they had an example.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:31:13 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: U S Army EOD
The Jomon didn't (since they were there during the Iceage when it was just part of the continent). However, the Hakka (Ya Yoi) and Koreans definitely had to have boats.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:33:20 PM PST
by
muawiyah
(u)
To: lepton
It's a syllabry, not an alphabet. Sequoia did the same thing the Koreans did in the 1500s.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:34:16 PM PST
by
muawiyah
(u)
To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Many of the rich Cherokees voluntarily moved to Oklahoma, and took their black African slaves with them, and the rest tried not to move, hoping for a better deal. They didn't get it. That *was indeed* a complicated thing. One of the early running conflicts was that even though the Cherokee were allied with South Carolina at least, the State would buy slaves (often being Cherokee) from their enemies, and refused to free them back to the Cherokee.
245
posted on
11/24/2005 8:34:48 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Renderofveils
Good evening.
"Except for that whole rifle/horse thing"
Custer found out about that. Crazy Horse's warriors not only outnumbered the troopers, but they had more repeating rifles. Cavalry Trapdoor Springfields vs. Sioux Henry rifles and 1866 Winchesters makes for dead cavalry.
Michael Frazier
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:35:16 PM PST
by
brazzaville
(no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
To: muawiyah
Finished for the evening ~ the American Indian thread is always interesting ~ and it provides a way of reviewing old beliefs.
247
posted on
11/24/2005 8:35:21 PM PST
by
muawiyah
(u)
To: muawiyah
Some comments simply do not deserve the dignity of a reply.
248
posted on
11/24/2005 8:37:43 PM PST
by
jec1ny
(Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domine Qui fecit caelum et terram.)
To: muawiyah
I guess the sea-faring routes between Asia and Australia were responsible for the settling of Australia. You're probably right; the land bridge may not have existed.
However, I am still baffled about why a culture would voluntarily stop developing sea faring technologies that they used previously.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:38:11 PM PST
by
indcons
(A Happy Thanksgiving to my FRiends and their families.)
To: Minus_The_Bear
***I consider what was done to the Cherokee one of the vilest things. They had their own written language of sorts even before the Europeans,*** Anyone who actually believes that should repeat the 3rd grade.
That was my comment, not his...and I mangled how I wrote it. I never intended to convey that they had a written language before the Europeans had written languages.
250
posted on
11/24/2005 8:38:14 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: muawiyah; All
I will also bid a goodnight with this quote from Wootten York, "History ain't necessarily what happened, it is just what some folks wrote down".
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:39:04 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(I NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TAG LINE)
To: adam_az
You can be Amish and have decide to not live the life style.
252
posted on
11/24/2005 8:40:48 PM PST
by
Dustbunny
(Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
To: U S Army EOD; muawiyah
A very appropriate quote indeed; thank you for an interesting discussion, FRiends.
As muawiyah pointed out in his posting, I had a chance to review my own old beliefs.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:42:50 PM PST
by
indcons
(A Happy Thanksgiving to my FRiends and their families.)
To: lainie
"I take my children to this every year because I want them to understand there is another side to the story,"
...so that I train them to always look at the past, feel that society owes them, thereby making sure that they never work to advance themselves. This is my gift to my children: that they grow up to be losers just like me!!
To: fso301
"I really cannot bear having American Indians mocked and maligned even if they are unduly influenced by leftist activists. I resent it. I hear bloated ignorance about Indian tribal culture the basis of which was a council of wise elders and a commune order for survival."
I agree, we shouldn't mock. However, I think it perfectly fair to look back in time and examine reasons for a particular outcome. Indians lost because they were defeated/absorbed by a technologically superior culture. The South lost the Civil War because the North was numerically and technologically superior. The German army and particularly the Waffen SS fought very hard but were crushed by numerically and technologically superior nations.
*In my post, I did not argue against the historical reality of cause and effect, nor against reasons for the inevitable result. I do argue against unfair characterizations and ignorant misrepresentions of Indians past and present.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:52:26 PM PST
by
purpleland
(Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
To: nwrep
North American native culture is one of the most over-rated and over-hyped social phenomena. In 15000 years of existence on this continent, these guys did not build any permanent structure of value or significance, which is what you would expect from a legitimate civilization<
I guess that's why people come from all over the world to visit the Taos pueblo...which has been continually inhabited for over a thousand years.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:53:36 PM PST
by
jess35
To: Zack Nguyen
Indian aggression against European settlers is never discussed. Ever. I've never heard of the attack you describe. March 22, 1622.
If you're ever in the Jamestown area, there is a place called Carter's Grove Mansion. Off in the back is an area where the Martin's Hundred settlement was. I just happened onto it.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:53:45 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: indcons
Australia was probably populated by people crossing over from SE Asia through a land brisge during low-tide. After all, we know sea levels keep fluctuating pver time. They'd have to have boats. while you could get a lot farther with low sea levels, there is a chasm in the ocean floor that runs between some of the islands.
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posted on
11/24/2005 8:56:34 PM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: fso301
That is largely correct, with one critical exception (in north America). The Cherokee, who us eeeevil white men drove out of the applachian mountain region in the south, which was once their home, had a sophisticated civilization by the standards of the day. They may have been a few hundred years behind the rest of the world in terms of technology, but many were christianized, spoke english well for enganging in commerce with the white man, and yes, even had slaves. then we drove them out of their nation to the reservation...
in Latin America, the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas were highly advanced and developed civilizations. they were behind the white man in the technology department, but they were at least as advanced as ancient Rome...
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posted on
11/24/2005 9:01:03 PM PST
by
Schwaeky
(Christians vs. Muslims: Jesus Loves you.... Allah wants you dead...)
To: SkyPilot
Good evening.
"Bear Lincoln of the Wailikie Tribe..."
Bear Lincoln was involved in a shootout with Mendocino County deputies a few years back. A deputy was killed and Bear was tried and acquitted of the killing.
For what it's worth, the jury deliberated to the sound of tom-toms and loudspeakers promising, "No justice, no peace".
Lincoln has been arrested several times since but I'm not sure if he was ever convicted. While the murder trial was running, I had my doubts about his guilt, but now I think I was wrong and I believe he is guilty as sin.
Michael Frazier
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posted on
11/24/2005 9:01:56 PM PST
by
brazzaville
(no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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