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Wilsongate: Motive, Means, and Opportunity
Original FReeper research | 11/21/2005 | Fedora

Posted on 11/21/2005 2:28:31 PM PST by Fedora

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To: Fedora; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe
They might be considered economic terrorism and political terrorism, with violent terrorism forming a third prong of a single attack.

Seems a totally valid assessment to me, Fedora.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts here.

141 posted on 04/26/2006 2:11:42 PM PDT by betty boop (The world of Appearance is Reality’s cloak -- "Nature loves to hide.")
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To: Cicero

I agree. Fedora is not an easy read.


142 posted on 04/26/2006 2:21:21 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: betty boop
I think this is Hillry's show. Old Bill is more like the spoiled two year old that continually outwits the parents.

One of the major reasons for my thinking this is that Leon Panetta's position was about chaperoning Bill Clinton while in the White House.

Hillry was per Bill Clinton's own words "co-president" and I believe that she was the one who made policy, hired and fired.

One thing these Clintons did was to place these political appointees into civil service positions which are not positions that President Bush could vacate without cause. I also believe that the Clintons war room never ended just was transitioned from the White House to a Senate space.

I call her Hillry because that is what Bill calls her.
143 posted on 04/26/2006 2:31:11 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Fedora

Outstanding work.


144 posted on 04/26/2006 2:50:34 PM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fenceposts go into journalism.)
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To: Ditto

Thank you! :-)


145 posted on 04/26/2006 2:53:05 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Impressive!


146 posted on 04/26/2006 3:27:05 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts; Fedora; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; Doctor Stochastic; Dark Skies
One thing these Clintons did was to place these political appointees into civil service positions which are not positions that President Bush could vacate without cause.

What an excellent catch, Just mythoughts! I didn't notice that -- til now. Thank you!

So do you suppose that sedition and treason might serve as appropriate/just causes for their removal, provided of course the charges can be proved in court, and validated by a jury in each instance?

I alluded to Clintons' mafioso-like tendencies in an earlier post. Since then, I feel like I owe Vito Corleone an apology. At least Vito was (arguably) a man of honor.

So, I take back the "mafioso" allusion, and cite instead Niccolo Machiavelli's The Prince. Clinton is Machiavelli's classic "fox," in the flesh. And he/she's doing what the classical "fox" ever does: He/she's going after the classical "lions," seeking their utter destruction as unacceptable competitors to him/herself and impediments to the fulfillment of his/her most deeply-cherished dreams/plans.

If you haven't read The Prince yet, you might want to put it on your list. It's a fascinating work, an early exploration into the nuts and bolts of how people who manage to insinuate themselves into power, and retain it by ruthless means, can theoretically feed off all the rest of us "forever."

Of course, the work has an abject literary history: Machiavelli composed it for, and dedicated it to, the Grand Duke Ludovico di Medici. It is an act of grovelling for His Majesty's patronage, for a position at His Majesty's Court, in the most abject and grotesquely, vacuously unflattering ways -- to himself, Machiavelli, I mean.

In the end, Ludovico did not give Machiavelli the gig.

There is justice in that, somehow, under the circumstances. For Ludovico was not exactly "lily-white" himself....

Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts, Just mythoughts!

147 posted on 04/26/2006 3:42:41 PM PDT by betty boop (The world of Appearance is Reality’s cloak -- "Nature loves to hide.")
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To: betty boop; Just mythoughts
One thing these Clintons did was to place these political appointees into civil service positions which are not positions that President Bush could vacate without cause.

Good observation. This is also one of the ways that civil service "reforms" have helped cripple the intelligence community over the past 20-30 years. It's much easier to get a troublemaker in place than it is to get them out.

148 posted on 04/26/2006 7:57:32 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; betty boop; Just mythoughts
It is amazing how many analysts and attorneys Clinton granted civil service designation.

GAO Report on change of Status to Political Appointments

149 posted on 04/26/2006 8:23:34 PM PDT by Freedom is eternally right
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To: Just mythoughts
One thing these Clintons did was to place these political appointees into civil service positions which are not positions that President Bush could vacate without cause. I also believe that the Clintons war room never ended just was transitioned from the White House to a Senate space.

What specific positions are you referring to? Do you have any examples?

150 posted on 04/26/2006 8:29:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: JaneAustin
Interesting link and good catch on the GAO report. The political appointee positions are listed in the Plum Book

It is quite revealing that the Justice Department had 13 of the 57 career positions that were filled by political appointees who converted to career employees. Most were done in 1999 and 2000. It would be interesting to conmpare this with other Presidents.

Positions that arouse some curiousity: Deputy Director of Counterintelligence in DOE; Immigration Judge, DOJ; Assistant U.S. Attorney U. S. Attorney’s Office – Eastern Division, New York, DOJ; Senior Advisor to the Director Executive Office for Immigration Review, Office of the Director, DOJ; Director, Office of Environmental Justice Office of Enforcement & Compliance Assurance, EPA; Director of Defense Procurement, Acquisition & Technology Office of the Under Secretary of Defenseand Chief, DOD; and State/USIA Branch, OMB.

The scandals at DOE including the Wen Ho Lee case, the fact that Gore was getting immigrants naturalized so they could vote, and the fact that the US Attorney's Office in New York was involved in investigating Clinton scandals could be linked to the reason why these appointements were made. Some of the other SES positions would provide an excellent source of information on what the Bush administration was doing.

It would be a useful exercise to see how many of these people are still in place.

151 posted on 04/26/2006 9:07:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: JaneAustin; Fedora; Just mythoughts; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe
It is amazing how many analysts and attorneys Clinton granted civil service designation.

Oh my oh my oh my, JaneAustin. Talk about feathering one's nest on leaving office (aside from stealing the White House silver), for the purpose of ensuring that one's perfidies performed in office are not exposed to the public. Fifty-seven career appointments is a very large number of political appointees to be smuggled into career service by E.O. of an outgoing president, whose status is binding on the next administration....

But then the guy was, is, and always will be a crook seeking to exploit the system to his own advantage.... It's a game with him, you see, a challenge to be "won."...

Thanks for this shocking news. Am going to bed now. Thank you, Jane Austin! [Who is, BTW, one of my favorite authors of all time.... I'll think of Elizabeth and Darcy before I go to sleep tonight, just to stay in touch with reality/sanity....)

152 posted on 04/26/2006 9:35:51 PM PDT by betty boop (The world of Appearance is Reality’s cloak -- "Nature loves to hide.")
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To: betty boop; kabar; JaneAustin
Very interesting--definitely worth some deeper investigation. I'm seeing this in relation to Richard Poe's analysis of the Clintons' similar actions in the Judicial Branch and DOJ:

HILLARY'S SECRET WAR: How Clintons took control of federal law enforcement

The first phase of the Clinton coup came on March 23, 1993. Only 11 days after becoming attorney general, Janet Reno called her first press conference to announce that she was firing all 93 U.S. attorneys and replacing them with Clinton loyalists. This was an unprecedented act. Phase 2 was equally unprecedented. Bill Clinton sacked FBI director William S. Sessions on July 19, 1993, on the pretext of various petty ethics charges.

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Phase 3 of the Clinton coup finished the job. The Clintons proceeded to defang the federal judiciary. Between 1994 and 1998, they appointed seven new judges to the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. – all Clinton cronies. The new appointees nicknamed themselves the "Magnificent Seven" – a name that stuck until the Clintons appointed an eighth member to the team in 1998.

The Magnificent Seven scandalized their colleagues by holding closed meetings every month, from which other federal judges were excluded. "I cannot imagine any legitimate reason for them to meet together once a month, even socially," one courthouse official told the Washington Times. Another court official charged that the meetings "reek with impropriety."

Indeed they did. Throughout the Clinton years, these hand-picked judges issued ruling after ruling shielding the Clintons and their alleged accomplices from federal prosecutors.

It later came to light that the obstructive activities of the Magnificent Seven had been carefully coordinated. The Associated Press reported on July 31, 1999, that Carter-appointed judge Norma Holloway Johnson – chief U.S. district judge for Washington, D.C. – had flouted standard procedure by personally and secretly assigning Clinton-related cases to Clinton-appointed judges. Federal cases are ordinarily assigned at random, by a computer. But the Clinton judges followed their own rules. Whatever crimes the Clintons or their operatives may have committed, they now had little to fear from the law.

153 posted on 04/26/2006 10:17:11 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: betty boop

That is fascinating. I didn't know all that about Machiavelli. Thank you!


154 posted on 04/26/2006 10:40:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
[ Perhaps now that this is becoming ever more clear, the President will now do what needs to be done: Clean house of the rats and termites that infest his administration, who work continually to undermine the national interest, aided and abetted by their collusion with a thoroughly corrupt, thoroughly like-minded MSM. ]

That, of course, overlooks that the President might be on the same page with them.. or that there is maybe another agenda in the White House, like Globalism.. which trumps both partys..

I believe he(the Prez) had a meeting today with the bad guys and locked the good guys out of the meeting.. A meeting to plot the legalization of the illegals.. The boy is getting ripe and is starting to stink.. Heard that today on Professor Savage's Radio Show..

155 posted on 04/27/2006 12:51:46 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Fedora
President Bush fought against the "civil service" positions for life with the structuring of Homeland Security. These liberals were demanding special union status for the newly formed Homeland Security, which is what the midterm election of 2002 became about for the most part.

I suspect though as time passes there will be gradual steps taken to reinsert the expected "union" classification and status into the bureaucracy of Homeland Security.
156 posted on 04/27/2006 4:24:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: kabar; JaneAustin

The leaking McCarthy was one such conversion and per post #149, a great link by Freeper Jane Austin gives positions converted, although names are not named.


157 posted on 04/27/2006 4:32:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: JaneAustin
Great link and appears that there were at least a couple of Republicans concerned with the Clintons leaving their prints. I suspect that these were to help 'algore' when he won that 2000 election as much as curse President Bush when it was he that won.
158 posted on 04/27/2006 4:35:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: sirchtruth; JaneAustin

see post #149


159 posted on 04/27/2006 5:22:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
The leaking McCarthy was one such conversion.

No, McCarthy was a career CIA employee. She joined the Agency in 1984 as an analyst. Most of the NSC is comprised of career employees from State, DOD, CIA, and other agencies. Usually, the various agencies nominate people for these jobs. Their nominations are reviewed by the NSC Director and approved/disapproved. Even though McCarthy was in a political appointee position, i.e., the President could appoint whomever he wanted, she was still in the CIA.

160 posted on 04/27/2006 6:00:48 AM PDT by kabar
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