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A million martyrs await the call (They want to die and we want to kill them.)
The Times (London) ^ | November 19, 2005 | Kevin Toolis

Posted on 11/19/2005 5:00:05 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

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To: bkepley

as you said in an earlier post, to paraphrase: "sometimes a sneering comment deserves a sneering reply"

you dish it out, you get it back.


121 posted on 11/20/2005 11:18:47 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
as you said in an earlier post, to paraphrase: "sometimes a sneering comment deserves a sneering reply" you dish it out, you get it back.

Touche and deserved. Sorry if I was sneering. I am not from a muslim country and don't know what the average person there thinks about jihad. Maybe you're right. I haven't read the Koran. I have read Seven Pillars of Wisdon and I don't recall all this fear and loathing about the Koran back then. It was probably the Anarchists who were the great threat. You say they weren't good muslims back then. Why should I take your word for it? Possibly muslims can be good muslims without taking the Koran as literally as you. I've read accounts of some American military pilots who enjoy the company of Muslims. I also know a man who worked in Saudi Arabia who liked the people there. What do we do with a billion Muslims? Insult their religion?

122 posted on 11/20/2005 11:34:21 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

the fact that there were very pleasant Nazis, that there is much to be admired in what Nazism did for Germany, does not in any way obviate the fact that Nazism is one of the more odious creeds ever to besmirch the land.

same goes for Islam.

I do not care if facts insult a billion people: they remain facts.


123 posted on 11/20/2005 11:38:06 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: bkepley

and, no: do NOT take my word for it.
do as I have done: READ the source material.


124 posted on 11/20/2005 11:39:03 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

So what do we do?


125 posted on 11/20/2005 11:47:37 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

We must do what proves necessary to preserve the West.

No more. Assuredly no less.


126 posted on 11/20/2005 12:05:45 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
We must do what proves necessary to preserve the West.

Well no kidding but if I thought all muslims were Nazis I'd be doing differently than we're doing now. I wouldn't have US troops in muslim countries fighting beside of muslim hosts.

127 posted on 11/20/2005 12:09:44 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

ah.

and with that perversion of what I have stated, you demonstrate your insincerity in this conversation.


128 posted on 11/20/2005 12:12:35 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

Your words:

the fact that there were very pleasant Nazis, that there is much to be admired in what Nazism did for Germany, does not in any way obviate the fact that Nazism is one of the more odious creeds ever to besmirch the land.


129 posted on 11/20/2005 12:15:11 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

followed by:
"same goes (present tense) for Islam."

an honest and literate person would understand that to mean:
"The fact that there are (present tense) very pleasant Muslims, that there is much to be admired in what Islam did for (well... Mesopotamia, at best), does not in any way obviate the fact that Islam is one of the more odious creeds ever to besmirch the land."

As you are demonstrably literate, you thus must be dishonest to have so falsely misrepresented -twice now- what I have stated.

Good day to you - I do not squander my hours entertaining liars.


130 posted on 11/20/2005 12:38:15 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

Have it your way. I honestly thought you were comparing Muslims to Nazis.


131 posted on 11/20/2005 12:41:56 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

a direct comparison between the creeds does show ideological similarities between Nazism and Islam; an examination of recent history reveals strong political and military ties between Nazi Germany and several Islamic countries and factions; and an examination of the current Arab press does indicate a strong affection for Hitler and Nazism is alive and well in Araby today: All factual.

It would not, however, be accurate to say that Muslims ARE Nazis, which you fallaciously implied I had stated.


132 posted on 11/20/2005 12:53:13 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
It would not, however, be accurate to say that Muslims ARE Nazis, which you fallaciously implied I had stated.

I did not mean to fallaciously imply it. I thought that was your thinking. It is an odious religion but we do have allies and I have neighbors.

133 posted on 11/20/2005 1:08:51 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

Unless hip-hop (rather low grade music, don't you think?) contains the warped ideology of future world leaders, I'd say no, hip hop is garbage, and as bad as Mein Kampf is/was, if people had taken that psycho seriously early enough, and dealt with him, we may never have had the European theatre of WWII.

Which is why Bush may not be the best president we've had in a long time, but at least he saw what the extremist mohammedans were up to and took the battle to their land, to keep it off ours. You do need to read a bit more about history then you might think a little more clearly as to how certain cultures/tribes think and act. Islam is no friend to the world, never has been, never will be.


134 posted on 11/20/2005 2:22:50 PM PST by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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>You do need to read a bit more about history

Based on what? You have no clue.


135 posted on 11/20/2005 4:04:16 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley; King Prout
"Christians burned the library at Alexandria. Probably history's greatest crime."

It took me only a moment with Google to find this...

http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/indextext/Alexandria.html

Early in the year A. D. 642, Alexandria surrendered to Amrou, the Islamic general leading the armies of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad. Long one of the most important cities of the ancient world and capital of Byzantine Egypt, Alexandria surrendered only after a long siege and attempts to rescue the city by the Byzantines. On the orders of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad, the entire collection of books (except for the works of Aristotle) stored at the Library of Alexandria were removed and used as fuel to heat water for the city's public baths.

Fanatical Christians did in fact attack the library and cause some damage, but the overwhelming destruction of the records was done in the name of the Calyph of Baghdad.

Your erroneous assumptions, and your tendency to ascribe equivalency to Christianity and Islam, are an indication that you are not the thorough scholar you pretend to be.

Looking forward to reading the "has been" note.

136 posted on 11/20/2005 4:29:29 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If I were not a husband and father, I might be wealthier, but I wouldn't be richer.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Your erroneous assumptions, and your tendency to ascribe equivalency to Christianity and Islam, are an indication that you are not the thorough scholar you pretend to be.

Yes..yes..I've already said that I got that story from Carl Sagan and noted that he was not unbiased. I also said over and over again that I am no Islamic or Christian scholar so the above is just a hissy fit.

137 posted on 11/20/2005 4:36:33 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley
'... the above is just a hissy fit."

You staked your ground. Enjoy the warmth.

138 posted on 11/20/2005 4:41:59 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If I were not a husband and father, I might be wealthier, but I wouldn't be richer.)
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To: NicknamedBob

>You staked your ground. Enjoy the warmth

Crap, from a fools complaint. It's like sleeping in muck.


139 posted on 11/20/2005 4:44:53 PM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley
"Crap, from a fools complaint. It's like sleeping in muck."

You grow more and more incoherent, but then, you had a head start.

140 posted on 11/20/2005 4:50:44 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If I were not a husband and father, I might be wealthier, but I wouldn't be richer.)
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