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Pharmacist Shortage Worsens Nationwide
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Posted on 11/09/2005 3:57:04 AM PST by kcvl

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To: dfwgator

With the shortage of health care providers in the U.S., they won't need H1B visas. They will be able to get green cards on the spot! It's already happening. They don'ty go through labor certification, but they do have to pass the liscencing exams in the states where they want to practice.


41 posted on 11/09/2005 7:46:16 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Hardastarboard

My aunt is one, pay is great, and you can pretty much work wherever you want, but you aren't exactly treated well by most employers.


42 posted on 11/09/2005 7:47:22 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: kcvl
Most of their time is spent as pill counters. Very little time is spent dispensing advice.
43 posted on 11/09/2005 7:48:15 AM PST by cynicom
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To: vetvetdoug
I have the same amount of education and make $55K as a veterinarian.

I thought veterinarians made more than that. I know ours does and we aren't far from you (Arkansas). He has his own business. I don't think he does large animals any longer, just small animals, which may be why he makes more since traveling to a large animal would take up time he could spend on seeing another small animal (does that make sense?). I know that he is certainly appreciated by my family. I had to call him early one morning and he met us at the office. He called back twice the next day to check on our animal also. I don't know what I would have done had I not had him to call. We also board our animals with him when we are out of town and know they will be well cared for. Peace of mind is invaluable.

We also have several friends who are vets. One lives in Hot Springs, AR and he has a fantastic business working on the animals they use in their parks.

A close friend, who was a vet, died a few years back during a vet convention (I think in Colorado) with a heart attack, while standing in front of the ski lodge. We miss him dearly. He was such a fantastic person. You may have known him. His name was Eddie Horn.

44 posted on 11/09/2005 7:52:30 AM PST by kcvl
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To: 4everontheRight
I am afraid the shortage won't matter soon.

Wrong. The "robotic pharmacist" needs a real pharmacist to know what to dispense. I don't think Mr. Robotic can counsel patients yet either. People who think pharmacists don't do anything but count pills really don't know much about the pharmacy business.

45 posted on 11/09/2005 8:02:58 AM PST by kcvl
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To: old-ager
Can you say H-1 ?

I don't know about that. Pharmacy customers might not be willing to buy prescriptions from someone who can't speak English. The elderly patients are set in their ways. lol!

46 posted on 11/09/2005 8:06:50 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

"If patients don't have access (to pharmacists), they run the risk of adverse effects from drug interactions."

If the pharmacist isn't there to fill the prescription, maybe the doc's will have to write less - this would certainly go a long way toward reducing adverse drug interactions.


47 posted on 11/09/2005 8:12:27 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Harrius Magnus
I'd be a pharmacist in a skinny minute if I could make 80-100 and work 40 hrs. Then I could volunteer my services as a physician 20 hours/wk, which would continue my true love, and would still be less total hours than I work now.

Thank you, Hillarycare, government regulations & interference. Thank you ambulance chasing trial lawyers.

48 posted on 11/09/2005 8:13:01 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Joe Miner
Just learning to read doctors' scribbles probably takes a year or two of college.

Have you ever seen a pharmacist's scribbles? I think they belong to the same cult.

49 posted on 11/09/2005 8:17:49 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Texaspeptoman

My son is attending University of Houston for his Doctorate and is very much looking forward to perhaps opening his own neighborhood pharmacy one day. Unless torte reform goes by the wayside and there are no pills left to dispense. I just wonder if lawyers ever get prescriptions filled...


50 posted on 11/09/2005 8:23:24 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (Make high definition tv fun. Aggravate 'em until their heads explode.)
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To: cynicom
Most of their time is spent as pill counters. Very little time is spent dispensing advice.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. They are required by law to give "dispensing advice" to each and every customer. They need to know what to dispense and how it interacts with the other medication the patient is taking.

They need to know the patient's medical history to keep from dispensing something that will kill them whether prescribed or over the counter. Many pharmacists are also consulting pharmacists for nursing homes, special care facilities and hospices which requires more certification and written reports for each and every patient.

51 posted on 11/09/2005 8:24:11 AM PST by kcvl
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
maybe the doc's will have to write less

Unless you are seeing a quack or the patient is a hypochondriac, I doubt your doctor is writing prescriptions just for the fun of it. The patient obviously needs the medication or they wouldn't be seeing a doctor.

52 posted on 11/09/2005 8:27:53 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Is that right??? Well golleee.We at FR are so fortunate to have such learned people as yourself.


53 posted on 11/09/2005 9:28:16 AM PST by cynicom
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To: kcvl

bump


54 posted on 11/09/2005 9:31:18 AM PST by VOA
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I think I'd stay out of the Pharmacy business for fear of running afoul of some obscure controlled substance law. One mistake, and a federal prosecutor looking for an easy conviction can lock you away for the rest of your life.


55 posted on 11/09/2005 9:33:39 AM PST by vollmond (Careful with that axe, Eugene!)
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To: kcvl
It's the organic chemistry class, a pharmacy major killer.
56 posted on 11/09/2005 9:36:12 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: kcvl

More HB-1Visas coming more filipino and South American workers to fill a position for jobs Americans won't do.


57 posted on 11/09/2005 9:38:02 AM PST by television is just wrong
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Although there are numerous organic chemistry texts on the market few if any address the needs of the growing number of students taking chemistry-based courses such as Pharmacy and Medicinal Chemistry- these students don’t need to study this aspect of the subject in as much detail. These students currently have to use organic chemistry texts designed for chemistry courses where much of the material is irrelevant.


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58 posted on 11/09/2005 10:10:38 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

"I doubt your doctor is writing prescriptions just for the fun of it. The patient obviously needs the medication or they wouldn't be seeing a doctor."

Ok, trust your doc. Any doc. They all live by the Hypocritical Oath.

For instance...

He prescribes cholesterol lowering drugs - but cholesterol does not cause heart attacks. And cholesterol lowering drugs are dangerous.

He prescribes drugs for an irregular heart beat (Beta Blockers, as an example). Beta Blockers try to control the irregular heart beat by weaking the heart muscle.

And then we get into the deals where he prescribes one drug for one thing, then has to prescribe another drug to try and control the side effects of the first one. This goes on, and maybe you have 3 or 4 prescriptions now because he prescribed the 1st one. Now the drug companies really like him, and he gets even more perks for writing prescriptions.

And by the way, I have an irregular heart beat. I control it with a Hawthorn-Lily extract. Hawthorn berry extract strengthens the heart, reduces blood pressure, helps keep the cardiovascular system humming like it was created to do. And Lily extract controls the irregular heart beat. Of course, the doc's don't like that approach because you can 'do it yourself' and the drug companies like it less because they aren't selling prescription stuff.

I had a basal cell carcinoma on my face, just below my left eye. The doc wanted to do surgery. Instead, I chose self treatment - in six weeks the tumor was gone. Cost of treatment - approx $15 - with enough stuff left to treat a dozen or so more. And by the way, no scars. (About 15 years ago I had one on my forehead surgically removed - Moh's procedure - followed by plastic surgery to fill in the hole. It left a fine line scar.) The bill was about $700.

A friend of ours has no thyroid - her doctor decided she had thyroid cancer and removed it - oops, no cancer. Also, no thyroid. The thyroid hormone they put her on causes more problems than it helps and she has a lot of problems now. Thank you, Mr Doc.

Another friend of ours is near death in a well known Cleveland medical establishment - they have been treating a cancer in his neck with chemo and radiation. He is not near death from the cancer - it is from the treatment. Many cancer patients die - not from the cancer, but from the radiation or the chemo.

I also know that many oncologists have opted out of the 'system', refusing radiation/chemo for their own cancers, choosing alternative, natural cures instead. They have seen the deadly effects of conventional treatment. But they can't opt out for their patients or they will loose their 'hospital privileges'.

So ok, trust your doc.


59 posted on 11/09/2005 10:49:15 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Now the drug companies really like him, and he gets even more perks for writing prescriptions

Name them.

Chemo saved my life. My Oncologist is a fantastic doctor & person. So, yes I trust him. I also trust my GP who found the cancer.

If you are so good at curing yourself why do you even go to the doctor in the first place since you think they are all greedy, heartless, know nothings?

60 posted on 11/09/2005 10:56:41 AM PST by kcvl
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