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Posted on 11/06/2005 12:38:04 PM PST by NYer
Shroud ping!
GGG ping?
I guess we'll just have to keep testing it until we get the 'right' answer.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
I think the carbon dating test was thrown off by biofilm. I did research on biofilm in water pipes when I was getting my masters degree in biology. Basically what happens is that layers of bacteria form on the thread of the cloth, die, and are covered by another layer of bacteria. This layer is then covered by another layer, and so on. So the outermost layer of bacteria would be modern, the layer below would be a little older, etc. If a significant portion of the thread tested was biofilm, the carbon date would be much more modern than the actual thread. I think it's possible that the Shroud is real. A lot more research is needed before this can be decided one way or the other.
...or wait until He comes to claim it along with His Bride. Maybe He wouldn't want it back anyway.
So if we were to clone Jesus from the blood, would that be the Second Coming, or a false Second Coming?
Just think of the advantages of having a Jesus clone around the house. Wine bills go down. If anyone suddenly dies he could do the Lazurus thing... Blind to see, deaf to hear, I'm guessing there is a market for those kind of things.
Grab up a couple of fish and some day-old bread, and you can feed the whole neighborhood at your barbeque...
If you go to the following web site, I believe you will find that "a lot more research" has been done. And the findings are truly extraordinary!
Sigh. If, someday, someone discovers the words "Made in Japan" on the Shroud of Turin, someone else will immediately announce that Japan existed in the time of Christ and used English.
Jesus is laid in the Sepulcher.
V. We adore thee O Christ and we bless thee,
R. Because by thy Holy Cross you have redeemed the world.
JESUS, when He was nearest to His everlasting triumph, seemed to be farthest from triumphing. When He was nearest upon entering upon His kingdom, and exercising all power in heaven and earth, He was lying dead in a cave of the rock. He was wrapped round in burying-clothes, and confined within a sepulcher of stone, where He was soon to have a glorified spiritual body, which could penetrate all substances, go to and fro quicker than thought, and was about to ascend on high. Make us to trust in thee, O Jesus, that You wilt display in us a similar providence. Make us sure, O Lord, that the greater is our distress, the nearer we are to Thee. The more men scorn us, the more You did honor us. The more men insult over us, the higher You wilt exalt us. The more they forget us, the more You did keep us in mind. The more they abandon us, the closer You wilt bring us to Yourself.
LET US PRAY
God, who by the Precious Blood of Thy only-begotten Son did sanctify the standard of the Cross, grant, we beseech Thee, that we who rejoice in the glory of the same Holy Cross may at all times and places rejoice in Thy protection, through the same Christ, our Lord.
Amen.
Cardinal Newman
I like the way your mind works........thanks for the laugh.
I sure hope you have got a surge protector on your computer, because I think you're about to get struck by lightning
Y'shua was not of the Levites but of the tribe of David.
b'shem Y'shua
Jesus's corpse was slam-frozen to zero degrees Kelvin within a rectangular super-conducting ring. The HEAT in his body had to GO somewhere, by the First Law of Thermodynamics, thus the up/down(+Z/-Z vectors)coherent gamma ray radiation in a brief burst, thus the scorch-picture. Even though the atoms in this su-co/su-flo/su-mo state are 1/2 spin-flip up and 1/2 spin-flip down(+Z and -Z vectors)(review the literature on cryogenic cooling), there is residual gyroscopic precession; this is why the nose-tip and other body areas closest to the cloth are in focus and parts further away are less in focus. Then his body is repaired to the cat-scan picture taken years before on the mountain top, atom by atom. But that means his mind-memory is ALSO returned to years before, it then takes awhile for his spiritual memory of the intervening years to bring his physical brain-memory up to speed. Also, he's just been to 0 deg K and back, which is why he cautions Mary not to touch him. And too, the isotope test, that inferred a medieval origin, was taken of the PATCH which we know was sewn on after the fire in the 1500's, thus that's a satanic scam. Thus, as incredible as it seems, the Shroud of Turin is a true picture of our Lord, and his resurrection shows the way to the new world of higher technology that he will rule over; patience and faith, it's sooner than you think... W=P
It may truly be the cloth that covered Jesus of Nazareth.
Even if that could be proved, would the cloth then be 'holy'.
Some might think so, but I do not.
He told us not to worship false gods, idols, or images.
I think that would include burial clothing.
A sign? To those who need it, it is.
A treasured Christian artifact. That may well be true.
The image on the cloth? The human body is covered with microscopic bacteria and mites. In that era, desert dust was blowing through the atmosphere regularly, and baths were few and far between.
The body was wiped down with olive oil, IIRC.
The image was very likely to transfer if left on the body after death, for a relatively short time. Then to have the cloth kept preserved would help preserve the image and it soaking it's way into the cloth.
It's not a miracle the image is still there. The miracle was in what is believed to have occurred afterward.
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Seems to me that if the DNA matches the house of Levi ... Jesus was not born to that house.
It may truly be the cloth that covered Jesus of Nazareth.
Even if that could be proved, would the cloth then be 'holy'.
Some might think so, but I do not.
He told us not to worship false gods, idols, or images.
I think that would include burial clothing.
A sign? To those who need it, it is.
A treasured Christian artifact. That may well be true.
The image on the cloth? The human body is covered with microscopic bacteria and mites. In that era, desert dust was blowing through the atmosphere regularly, and baths were few and far between.
The body was wiped down with olive oil, IIRC.
The image was very likely to transfer if left on the body after death, for a relatively short time. Then to have the cloth kept preserved would help preserve the image and it soaking it's way into the cloth.
It's not a miracle the image is still there. The miracle was in what is believed to have occurred afterward.
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