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Taste for chocolate is gone (Some African cocoa farms use child slaves)
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 10/24/05 | DAVID SMITH

Posted on 10/25/2005 12:44:38 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: A. Pole; Willie Green; dennisw; hedgetrimmer
Pretty soon corporations, who now have factories in China, will get wind of this and move to Africa. I can't wait for the stock dividends to rise.
21 posted on 10/25/2005 4:01:46 AM PDT by raybbr
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There must be something amiss here...USA corp Hershey was not sued...a EUROPEAN corp was sued instead? Amaaaaazing!


22 posted on 10/25/2005 4:56:02 AM PDT by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: dsc
"estimated 26.9 million other slaves" Is this credible?

Either way the slavery and slave trade is consistent with the Free Market ideology. Slave trade is a natural part of free trade.

23 posted on 10/25/2005 6:25:21 AM PDT by A. Pole (Halloween's lesson to children: "give me some candy, or I'll vandalize something.")
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To: mdmathis6

Just wait for John Edwards to get ahold of this...

In the meantime, If I can buy plastic stuff made by slaves in the PRC, then I can buy chocolate with cocoa made by slaves in Africa. Ain't my job to police them.


24 posted on 10/25/2005 6:30:11 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: nickcarraway

Black on black slavery? Who knew? Where are the race pimps - Jesse Jackass and Al Sharlatan - on this one? How about Farrakook? They should be swinging from the branches, screaming about it. Nary a peep....hmmm,could it be they don't care about real Africans, because they don't make political "contributions" to their "ministries" or vote democrat?


25 posted on 10/25/2005 6:33:58 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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The race whores only come out when they can blame whites and then shake down Uncle Schmuck for a few bucks. Black on black slavery doesn't pay off.
26 posted on 10/25/2005 6:45:55 AM PDT by ghitma (Lifter)
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To: A. Pole

"Either way the slavery and slave trade is consistent with the Free Market ideology. Slave trade is a natural part of free trade."

That is the most eggregiously wrong-headed thing I've seen in a long while.


27 posted on 10/25/2005 6:47:29 AM PDT by dsc
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To: nickcarraway

If anyone out there is upset that chocolate may be picked by child slaves, you can fight back. You don't have to eat the food of the oppressors anymore. Please send your chocolate to Exile c/o FreeRepublic.

Now that you mention it, I'm sure that coffee, cigars, and cheeseburgers are also made by slave labor. Feel free to send them too.


28 posted on 10/25/2005 6:50:34 AM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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To: Little Ray
"In the meantime, If I can buy plastic stuff made by slaves in the PRC, then I can buy chocolate with cocoa made by slaves in Africa."

Paying for all of it with cash "earned" by a tax slave in the U.S.

Hhmmm...

29 posted on 10/25/2005 7:03:59 AM PDT by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: dsc
"Either way the slavery and slave trade is consistent with the Free Market ideology. Slave trade is a natural part of free trade."

That is the most eggregiously wrong-headed thing I've seen in a long while.

I will prove it to you:

Free Market ideology asserts the freedom of contract.

Freedom of contract implies that people can use their freedom as a collateral for debt.

So people can become slaves or indentured serfs as a result of default.

This was demonstrated in the past several times. In ancient Rome many slaves came from the failed debtors.

Also this is from my home page:

The usury leads to the slavery

"[...]Before the introduction of coined money the peasant farmer borrowed commodities and repaid the loan in kind, and … was probably able to meet the obligation without great difficulty; but after the introduction of coined money the situation became decidedly more difficult…he must take a loan of money to purchase his necessary supplies at a time when money was cheap and commodities dear. When a year of plenty came and he undertook to repay the loan, commodities were cheap and money was dear", wrote Professor Calhoun.

Unable to get out of debt, eventually bad weather or a poor harvest would bring foreclosure on their land and even bind them into slavery. This enslavement grew to crisis proportions, when Solon came to Athens rescue with his "Seisachtheia" or "shaking off" of burdens. Personal slavery was no longer allowed as security for debts. He canceled such existing debt contracts; and gave back land which had been seized. Farmers who had been sold into slavery abroad by those to whom they owed money were "bought" back and returned to Athens. [...]"

(A Brief History of Interest)
30 posted on 10/25/2005 7:59:15 AM PDT by A. Pole (Ivan Boesky: "What good is the moon, if you can't buy or sell it?")
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what a pack of lies...EVERYONE knows the only people who kept and are presently keeping African slaves are white AMERIKLAN christian male capitalist gun owners.
31 posted on 10/25/2005 8:03:44 AM PDT by martin gibson (I know not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death!!!)
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To: A. Pole

"Freedom of contract implies that people can use their freedom as a collateral for debt. So people can become slaves or indentured serfs as a result of default."

A premise that is totally invalidated by our realization that slavery is wrong under any circumstances. If it is wrong under any circumstances, then any contract involving slavery is invalid. Check the doctrine of unconscionability.


32 posted on 10/25/2005 8:08:44 AM PDT by dsc
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A premise that is totally invalidated by our realization that slavery is wrong under any circumstances

And where this "realization" comes from? Not from the Free Market ideology. So are you putting the moral rules above the freedom of contract and market?

33 posted on 10/25/2005 8:24:38 AM PDT by A. Pole (Ivan Boesky: "What good is the moon, if you can't buy or sell it?")
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To: A. Pole

"So are you putting the moral rules above the freedom of contract and market?"

Of course. That and natural rights.


34 posted on 10/25/2005 8:46:55 AM PDT by dsc
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This is from a message sent out by Gary Guittard (of Guittard Chocolate Company) and president of the Chocolate Manufactures Association

From Gary Guittard:
Unfortunately we do use West African beans in some of these products. They are blended with South American Cocoa such as Ecuador and Venezuela. We do not use Ivory Coast Cocoa in any of these products but from what we are finding out is that all of West African Cocoa including Ghana may have problems with Slave labor.

I am president of the Chocolate Manufactures Association and we have been extremely concerned about these reports and have just started to plan a survey with the help of USAID the Dept of Labor and some Children's agencies to find out the extent of the problem.

The Chocolate Manufacturers in the United States were in fact the only ones to act proactively on this problem. European Manufactures have not made a concerted effort to work on this but they are now coming around.

Unfortunately the economic success of these countries and the economic war torn catastrophes that surround them have created a situation that as attracted many immigrants and those that smuggle them into these countries. The new immigrants become indentured to pay back the smugglers somewhat as has existed in this country with some of our immigrants.

There are 600,000 small family cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast and we feel that the biggest problem lay in the plantation type crops such as Cotton, Coffee and not Cocoa. We also feel an obligation to these small farmers as cocoa is their livelihood.

We will have a better idea when the survey is completed sometime this fall as to the extent of the problem with Cocoa. Then we will take the next steps indicated by the survey.

I might add not all chocolate companies are involved in the Chocolate Manufactures Association and the World Cocoa Foundation who are heading this up. I might add that the cost of this survey is well over $1,000,000 and unfortunately some manufactures are not playing their part. I might add that Hershey and Mars have been fantastic and have not only given monetary support but also scientific and Human resources. You should be proud of our country and the manufactures taking part in this.

35 posted on 10/25/2005 9:43:49 AM PDT by knuthom
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No; what I am saying is that without a body the theory that Natalee Holloway was sold into slavery (as a sex slave not a cocoa farmer) is still viable.


36 posted on 10/25/2005 4:08:51 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: knuthom

"You should be proud of our country and the manufactures taking part in this."

And you should be ashamed of your English.


37 posted on 10/25/2005 5:55:03 PM PDT by dsc
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