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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

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To: quidnunc; Pukin Dog

Issue 1 in Pukin's rant was what I have been posting since last Monday when all hell broke loose. The other likely candidates (one of which was my pick) either may not have passed the vetting or turned the offer of a nomination down. Why? After seeing what the demos/rinos/msm attempted to do to Roberts.........could be intimidating to those who did not wish to drag their families through it. Look what they wanted to do about the Roberts' kids' adoption FGS
But most of all, I was amazed at the immediate piling on of Meirs by people who make a fine art of research while shunning the knee-jerk reaction typical of the left. But it's obviously a human thing.
Pukin, grow a thicker skin. Your "rants" count for a lot to many of us whether we always agree or not. That gives you a perhaps unwelcome responsibility. :o)


481 posted on 10/09/2005 5:43:45 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: FreeReign

Historically, Republicans have controlled their RINOs by insisting that they vote with the party on critical bills or other votes. The rest of the time there is a tacit understanding that they can vote against, because their votes are not needed.

This is one of those votes where at least some of the RINO votes are needed. There's something badly wrong with the leadership and with party discipline if they can't call in those chips.

Part of the problem lies with Frist and his predecessor, no doubt; but part of the problem also lies with Bush as the de facto head of the party.


483 posted on 10/09/2005 5:44:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TheHound
... but it just seems to me - if GWB doen't want to appear a lame duck, then he should quit acting like one. We didn't get control of the House and Senate by hiding our intentions - we did it by stating them and acting accordingly. This whole SCOTUS thing has us acting like Democrats, hiding our intentions and I for one am not happy about it.

The GOP ... we are experts at stealth conservatism. Trust us. Send money.

484 posted on 10/09/2005 5:44:38 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Mini-14
Thanks for sharing. You got an opinion on the post, or is that all you got?
485 posted on 10/09/2005 5:44:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Are you saying Bush has not done that? Has he not picked up seat in Congress on each election? He cant do it alone.

Well, his leadership /sarcasm may very well be revealed in the next election.

Ronaldus Maximus did not have a majority government, and yet did great things. This President could own Washington if he was the leader that the loyalists on this forum deserve. It is an embarrasment. I am truly proud of the loyal people here, although I think their loyalty to this man is misplaced. He does not deserve it. He has let you all down.
486 posted on 10/09/2005 5:45:01 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Your comment about more than one of our favorite potential nominees turning it down is also something I have heard from someone I know in DC. So that is two independent sources corroborating this.


487 posted on 10/09/2005 5:46:27 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Soul Seeker

I guess my problem is: when Scalia and Reinquest(sp) were nominated we didn't own the Senate either and with Thomas we fought and so why can we not fight now?


488 posted on 10/09/2005 5:46:33 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: daybreakcoming
Pukin, grow a thicker skin.

I'm told I can pick that up at Walmart? But yeah, I need it.

489 posted on 10/09/2005 5:46:40 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: DrDeb
BTW: Spector has indicated that he plans to 'grill' Miers on her pro-life bona fides -- he's quite worried that she'll actually vote to overturn Roe v Wade. [Note: Spector is threatening Dr. Dobson as we speak/write -- he wants to know what assurances the President gave him (Dobson) concerning Miers' pro-life orientation . . . Spector is NOT a Miers supporter!!]

Miers should follow the Roberts template.

490 posted on 10/09/2005 5:46:51 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Labyrinthos; Pukin Dog
You have more lives than Kenny on South Park.

Maybe he should change his name to Pukin Cat! ;-)

491 posted on 10/09/2005 5:47:02 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Pukin Dog

You have to do the math, Dog. (Understand, I am talking about Bush nominating a QUALIFIED, SCANDAL-FREE nominee.) Well, I have done the math:

1. Chafee: the most likely turncoat, but by no means a definite vote against.
2. Snowe: she's a follower, not a leader. Might vote against if the liberal Maine press hounded her enough.
3. Collins: same thing, but less likely than Snowe to vote against.
4. Warner: slim possibility that he would vote against.
5. Specter: a slimmer possibility, and actually not likely given the riot act that was read to him when he was allowed to take the Chairmanship. (And remember, Specter was NOT part of the "Gang of Fourteen")

That's five (5) votes against, and only IF ALL FIVE go against a President of their own party to vote against a qualified nominee simply because the DEMOCRATS say that that nominee is "too conservative". The odds that ALL FIVE would join hands is very slim, especially once WE got rolling.

Cheney is the 51st vote in the unlikely scenario that ALL FIVE of the above RINOs turned Judas. We win.

(By the way, NO WAY does McCain vote against a good conservative nominee - - the guy wants to be President and he isn't a complete idiot. He may have been skittish about the "nuclear option", but he supports conservative nominees unabashedly.)

Graham and DeWine will vote FOR a qualified conservative nominee, guaranteed. (Hopefully by now most people understand the genius of the "Gang of Fourteen" deal, and appreciate Graham and DeWine's sacrifice in agreeing to become ringers in that amazing neutering of the Democrats' filibuster threat.)

Lugar and Hagel don't worry me too much. (Voinovich does worry me somewhat due to that little problem he has with "mental stability".)

Remember, we are talking about a QUALIFIED, SCANDAL-FREE nominee here. Do you have any idea how vociferous and passionate the support for such a candidate would be? Everybody here would get Bush's back and take a bullet for him in order to make sure that a solid conservative nominee was confirmed. I believe that in the end, the wishy-washy RINO Senators noted above would have ended up far more scared of us than they are of the dying, socialist "mainstream" newsrooms.

It is a real shame that Bush punted on the most critical decision of his Presidency. I have done the math and it DID NOT have to come to this. The whole thing makes me want to throw up.

This was a terrible nomination. The hearings will once again be a meaningless and uninformative TV show starring a bunch of blowhard Senators, and in the end we conservatives will be left with nothing else to do but cross our fingers and hope that Miers turns out to be no worse than O'Connor. Wow. That's just great.....

That is NOT what I voted for.


492 posted on 10/09/2005 5:47:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Pukin Dog
Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward.

That is pretty much my take on the whole affair as well. Good analysis.

493 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:13 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: jwalsh07; Iwo Jima

Beldar did a good job in putting up the links, and his views were of value, in my view hyped, but of value. He instigated my own research. He did his job. Honest effort, even if opinionated effort, should be encouraged, not traduced. It is the useful and salubrious fuel which helps to illuminate the public square.


494 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:20 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pukin Dog

I might could be convinced. I was encouraged to see her 2nd amendment views, and you've posted some thoughts worth considering.


495 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Alternately leaving and returning is a rope-a-dopus.

Er...rope-a-dopii?

496 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:32 PM PDT by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: nwrep
Hey, I wish it was common knowledge that some of them said no, but then the MSM would go all out to find out why. These people deserve their privacy.
497 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:36 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.

I don't know ya from beans, feller, but your willingness to make a public recantation over an issue that's had this forum boiling for days says something about you right off.

Don't know quite what to make of it at the moment, though...so I'll stay tuned.

498 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:45 PM PDT by seadevil (...because you're a blithering idiot, that's why. Next question?)
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To: Guenevere
and I thought he inferred....to others, they would not have sustained the vetting process.

There may have been more that I missed, but I don't think it could have been more than a sentence or two. Batchelder was the only one he mentioned by name.

499 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:51 PM PDT by maryz
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To: flashbunny
Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness. But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

As I am a believer that we are all responsible for our own reality, THIS statement is quite true.

Although we sparred a little over this, I never was opposed to Meirs, How could I be, I don't know what she stands for. I was disappointed in Bush, and felt this pick did not do him, or conservatives justice.

Now, I still don't feel great about it, because whatever she is, she will be there a long time. The downside is very severe if Bush is wrong. I might feel better if I had your source, but I don't, so I'll just have to continue working on my golf game instead.

For all the Opus bashers, I like to bash a good narcissistic Opus as much as the next guy, and maybe I'm getting soft, but Opus is also a very fine wine.

500 posted on 10/09/2005 5:48:55 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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