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[taxesareforever]

"Is slavery a moral issue? If you say it is where do you derive what is moral and what isn't?" My nature as a rational, human being.

Just as I thought. Your basis for morals is you. That means that every single person in the world can have their own idea of what is moral. Who is to say their idea is wrong? Are you saying that your idea is superior to theirs? If so, why?

[taxesareforever]

Read Post# 761.

[taxesareforever]

I trust in John 3:16 (Gospel). Belief in this will get you to heaven. How does Luke 6:31 (Law)give a promise of salvation?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Just as I thought. Your basis for morals is you. "

Exactly not what I said. I said my morality is based on my nature as a human being and the nature of my existence, which is what it is no matter what I may wish or hope it to be. You base your *morality* on whatever the government says is ok. You say that you consider abortion to be wrong, why? Why abortion but not slavery? Your moral code has left you impotent to make any stands.

"Who is to say their idea is wrong? Are you saying that your idea is superior to theirs? If so, why?"

I don't need a lecture on morality from a dedicated moral relativist who thinks there's nothing wrong with slavery.
Go push your pro-slavery BS on a site where it would be better suited, like the DU or maybe a Christian Re-constructionist site.

[jennyp]

Read Post# 761.

Read post 760: All humans have such rights, because if you apply rights to only some people and not others, then it's no longer a principle but instead just an ad-hoc, self-serving rationalization.

It's true in one sense that my basis for morals is myself. But as I said, morality is a principle - a system or framework of judging behavior. You can't have a principle without applying it consistently in all similar contexts. This means that it must apply to everyone in a similar situation.

Is it moral to kidnap someone? Well, it's clearly wrong to kidnap me, except if I was judged guilty of a crime by a legitimate court. In that case they'd have the right to put me in jail. But to kidnap me "just because", or because I owe somebody some money, would be wrong.

You see? Your problem isn't really against a self-interested basis for morality. It's against self-serving morality. But a self-serving morality (where you don't apply the moral principles consistently) is a contradiction in terms. You're really arguing against "rationalization".

[taxesareforever]

You base your *morality* on whatever the government says is ok.

No I don't. My basis for morality is the Bible. Yours, contrary to your opinion, is based on what you think.

[js1138]

Sort of like blowing up one pixel of an image and claiming it is the whole image.

[taxesareforever]

You're really arguing against "rationalization".

Exactly. I do not think that I am capable of making rational decisions on my own. I need a basis for making them and that basis is the Bible.

[jennyp]

I do not think that I am capable of making rational decisions on my own.

Hmmmmm... Well, maybe you would appreciate the long-term security and certainty that comes from a guaranteed, non-rescindable, lifetime employment situation.

[PatrickHenry]

I think we have a keeper for the THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON CREATIONISM section of The List-O-Links.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"No I don't. My basis for morality is the Bible."

You have no moral code, why are you pretending you do? You have said repeatedly you think that there is nothing wrong with slavery. That if the government makes something legal, it's ok. That if other cultures allow different things, who are we to say that would they do is wrong? You have said,

"Like I said, the Bible doesn't support it nor does it condemn it, so who am I to say it is immoral."

"Why is it not wrong in other countries? If there laws allow it, that is what makes it right."

This means you base your *morality* not on any rational base but whatever a government happens to say. When they come to drag you and your family away to be chattel slaves, you will have nothing to argue with then about. What will you say? You can't say it's WRONG, because you don't believe anything a government does CAN be wrong. I repeat your own statement:

"Why is it not wrong in other countries? If there laws allow it, that is what makes it right."

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"Yours, contrary to your opinion, is based on what you think."

Your disgust for rational thought is palpable. My morality comes from the nature of existence, and what it takes for a human being to survive in this world: the Mind. My opinion won't change that fact, any more than you can pretend to be anything other than a pro-slavery, anti-Mind, collectivist.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I do not think that I am capable of making rational decisions on my own."

Finally, something we can all agree on! :)

[PatrickHenry]

Just added to The List-O-Links, in THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON CREATIONISM:

NEW post 768 by taxesareforever on 13 Oct 2005. I do not think that I am capable of making rational decisions on my own.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I do not think that I am capable of making rational decisions on my own. I need a basis for making them and that basis is the Bible."

If you can't make rational decisions on your own, how did you choose to have the Bible as your authority? Did it have a pretty cover? Did you blindfold yourself and throw darts at a dartboard covered with the names of sacred texts?
Was there someone whispering into your head telling you what to do? (If so, don't listen to the German Shepard)

Do your family and neighbors know you can't make rational decisions on your own? Should we contact your boss? Most people who can't make rational decisions for themselves are put into mental institutions as a protection for them and others. If the government decided to check you into one on the basis of your admission that you can't make rational decisions, would you have a moral argument against them?

So many questions, so little time.

[From many - one.]

Try following it.

[taxesareforever]

So many questions, so little time.

John 3:16. You are right time is short. However eternity is eternity.

[taxesareforever]

Aw, fame. How can this feeble mind handle it?

[taxesareforever]

My morality comes from the nature of existence,

My, that certainly is a profound statement. How could anyone argue with that? They can't. Because everyone exists therefore everyone has an opinion and all opinions are of the same value. Who can argue otherwise? Since we all exist we all have valid opinions.

[taxesareforever]

There you go assuming again. I just told you what I believe and you say I don't. I guess since you are rational you have superior knowledge of everyone.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Because everyone exists therefore everyone has an opinion and all opinions are of the same value. Who can argue otherwise? Since we all exist we all have valid opinions."

That isn't what I said. That's your philosophy, not mine. You're the moral relativist. You're the one who thinks that anything a government does is not wrong, because,well, the government is THE LAW. Not that that matters, you have already stated you are incapable of making rational decisions. You know of no rational basis to choose what is moral or not moral. There are other people too in society who also can't make rational choices. They're called children. Do your parents know you are using their computer?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. " (John 3:16)

Why do you believe the Bible? If you can't make rational decisions, how did you happen to believe this? I am serious.

If the Government outlaws Christianity (including all appropriate amending to the Constitution), would you obey?, because, as you have said earlier,

"If there(sic) laws allow it, that is what makes it right."

Would it be right? How could you know without the ability to make rational decisions?