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With world watching, trial starts
The York Dispatch ^ | 9/26/2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

Posted on 09/26/2005 12:14:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor

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To: Junior
Free SeaLion!
First Modernman, and now SeaLion's been suspended/banned??? Seesh!!!
41 posted on 09/26/2005 1:55:14 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: my sterling prose)
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To: Junior
Free SeaLion!

Hear, hear!
42 posted on 09/26/2005 2:14:05 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: Buffettfan
As opposed to dumb design? :)

Considering the various design defects in the human body, that's a more plausible theory than ID...

43 posted on 09/26/2005 2:19:06 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent (That's great. What?)
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To: jennyp
Well, maybe it's just me but I can't see any trollish or abusive behavior.

Free SeaLion!

44 posted on 09/26/2005 2:21:42 PM PDT by BMCDA (Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must be silent. -- L. Wittgenstein)
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To: Right Wing Professor

The defendants' list is pretty impressive.

Read Behe's book. Will be pretty hard for the plaintiffs' to dispute his testimony.


45 posted on 09/26/2005 2:26:28 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: BMCDA

It's not just you. Is this 1984 and are we seeing the first of many vaporizations?


46 posted on 09/26/2005 2:26:28 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: connectthedots; Ichneumon
Read Behe's book. Will be pretty hard for the plaintiffs' to dispute his testimony.

Behe's "irreducible complexity" argument is fatally flawed. Ichneumon's post 35.
Irreducible Complexity Demystified. Major debunking of ID.
The Flagellum Unspun: The Collapse of "Irreducible Complexity," Kenneth R. Miller. Critique of Behe.

47 posted on 09/26/2005 2:29:45 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm unimpressed with the refutations. You think the defendants would have him as a defense expert, if his book was fatally flawed?


48 posted on 09/26/2005 2:39:54 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: PatrickHenry
A small-time freak show. Time doesn't impress really impress me for being an unbiased source for who is watching what.
49 posted on 09/26/2005 2:46:15 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: connectthedots

"I'm unimpressed with the refutations. "

I'm not impressed with your answer. Be more specific; how are the refutations wrong?

"You think the defendants would have him as a defense expert, if his book was fatally flawed?"

Yes. They haven't shown they are particularly bright.


50 posted on 09/26/2005 2:47:20 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: BMCDA
Well, maybe it's just me but I can't see any trollish or abusive behavior.

No pulled posts either.

51 posted on 09/26/2005 2:53:51 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
With world watching, trial starts

Heh. If they televise Saddam's trial, I might buy that headline. If they ever file a case against the guys who whacked Natalee Holloway, and they televise that trial, I might buy that headline. As it is, I suggest that there are few trials (if any) that the entire world is less likely to be following with bated breath than this one.

52 posted on 09/26/2005 2:57:25 PM PDT by RichInOC ("The coffee is strong at Cafe du Monde, the doughnuts are too hot to touch..." Save the Big Greasy!)
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To: connectthedots
You think the defendants would have him as a defense expert, if his book was fatally flawed?

Yes.
53 posted on 09/26/2005 2:58:05 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

We're behind enough in science education as it is without these ID moonbats dumbing down the system even further.


54 posted on 09/26/2005 3:00:38 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Junior

What happened with SeaLion? Didn't know he was suspended until now.


55 posted on 09/26/2005 3:22:15 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: connectthedots
Read Behe's book. Will be pretty hard for the plaintiffs' to dispute his testimony.

Behe's book has been pretty thoroughly rebutted. In fact, all of his 'irreducibly complex' examples have been shown not to be irreducibly complex by his own definition. Ken Miller, on the plaintiff's list, has done a nice job on this.

Also, based on some things he's written recently, I suspect Behe may be wavering. In a recent interview, he referred to some of Lenski's work on in vitro speciation in microbes as a 'compelling' argument for standard evolution, if it turns out to be true. Lenski's result is embargoed prior to publication, but I understand it's big.

56 posted on 09/26/2005 3:32:10 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (SeaLion suspended, Modernman banned. Why is FR censoring mainstream science?)
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To: connectthedots
Read Behe's book. Will be pretty hard for the plaintiffs' to dispute his testimony.

Behe's book has been pretty thoroughly rebutted. In fact, all of his 'irreducibly complex' examples have been shown not to be irreducibly complex by his own definition. Ken Miller, on the plaintiff's list, has done a nice job on this.

Also, based on some things he's written recently, I suspect Behe may be wavering. In a recent interview, he referred to some of Lenski's work on in vitro speciation in microbes as a 'compelling' argument for standard evolution, if it turns out to be true. Lenski's result is embargoed prior to publication, but I understand it's big.

57 posted on 09/26/2005 3:32:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (SeaLion suspended, Modernman banned. Why is FR censoring mainstream science?)
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To: connectthedots
Read Behe's book. Will be pretty hard for the plaintiffs' to dispute his testimony.

Behe's book has been pretty thoroughly rebutted. In fact, all of his 'irreducibly complex' examples have been shown not to be irreducibly complex by his own definition. Ken Miller, on the plaintiff's list, has done a nice job on this.

Also, based on some things he's written recently, I suspect Behe may be wavering. In a recent interview, he referred to some of Lenski's work on in vitro speciation in microbes as a 'compelling' argument for standard evolution, if it turns out to be true. Lenski's result is embargoed prior to publication, but I understand it's big.

58 posted on 09/26/2005 3:32:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (SeaLion suspended, Modernman banned. Why is FR censoring mainstream science?)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Wow. Triplicate. Dunno what I did, but I apologize!


59 posted on 09/26/2005 3:33:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Why is FR censoring mainstream science?)
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To: Right Wing Professor

"Wow. Triplicate. Dunno what I did, but I apologize!"

Some things are worth repeating over and over. :)


60 posted on 09/26/2005 3:41:17 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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