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His stance on ethanol sets Cal professor apart
Contra Costa Times ^ | 9/26/5 | Judy Silber

Posted on 09/26/2005 7:39:01 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes, my points exactly. I have to say though, I have been burning 10% ethanol/aka gasohol in my vehicles since the 80s and have never had a problem. Methanol additives are a different story and can cause damage to gaskets and seals over the long haul.


141 posted on 09/26/2005 9:25:34 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Mamzelle
Yes, it takes fuel to run a corn-likker still. Presently--but you never know what idea might solve that problem.

Most used deadfall wood (less smoke that way).

142 posted on 09/26/2005 9:25:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Hendrix
" Most people who own trucks never haul anything in them. They just ride around in them."

That's not true. It's simply a claim. The ones that buy them and don't use them to haul are a minority. That's from both the sales and repair industries. If your claim comes from personal observation, you need to realize that you didn't check the bed for evidence of being used for hauling. Most people don't load up their truck and drive around with that load 'till the truck wears out. How many flatbed trailers have you seen crusing around empty?

Here's a link listing full size cars. Toyota has an Avalon. Camry is somthing else, midsize, or intermediate.

143 posted on 09/26/2005 9:26:23 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: markman46
Higher efficiency means MORE not less driving which will increase consumption there for driving demand

Not to worry; the statists have thought of that, and are planning on taxing us per mile.

144 posted on 09/26/2005 9:26:45 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Hendrix

How big is your TV? I'm sure you can get by with a smaller one.


145 posted on 09/26/2005 9:27:32 AM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: Hendrix
This to me is the first place we need to start. Why should people be driving big trucks and SUVs that get 10 mpg when they could be driving full sized cars (like a camry or accord) that gets 30 mpg?

Ummm...because we're not socialists, and therefore we let people drive whatever they choose to drive?

146 posted on 09/26/2005 9:27:35 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: markman46
"Higher efficiency means MORE not less driving which will increase consumption there for driving demand"

That is a false assumption. You are assuming that people will choose to drive more if their cars get better gas mileage. I don't think that will be the case. Most people drive the amount needed to go to work, etc., so they are not going to just choose to start driving more because their cars get better gas mileage.
147 posted on 09/26/2005 9:27:48 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: cogitator
Switchgrass is a better choice than corn; it grows with very little care (and in poor soils) and has more energy content than corn.

Never heard of using switchgrass but it does make great sense. Switch grass will grow in just about anything out in my neck of the woods (dry sandy nutrient poor soils). You have any good links regarding switchgrass?

148 posted on 09/26/2005 9:28:34 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: antiRepublicrat

The externalities of Mid-East military conflicts ($300 billion and 1,900 lives spent) need to be factored into the price of high-energy usage behavior before assuming you're seeing a true free-market response. This means the true cost of oil is much higher than $60/barrel, with the rest of the price being borne by everyone who supports the government through taxes and military service.


149 posted on 09/26/2005 9:28:40 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: Hendrix

"I don't see any real problem with just increasing the fuel efficiency of our cars."

Well, I know of quite a few people that would object to the BILLIONS of dollars involved in satisfying your emotions.


150 posted on 09/26/2005 9:28:45 AM PDT by CSM ( It's all Bush's fault! He should have known Mayor Gumbo was a retard! - Travis McGee (9/2))
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To: Hendrix
There is no need to be driving vehicles that get 10 mpg.

And there's no need for you to own a gun, or have the capability to post your opinion on the internet.

Quit thinking like a Soviet apparatchik.

151 posted on 09/26/2005 9:30:22 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Hendrix
Most people who own trucks never haul anything in them. They just ride around in them.

I would like you to defend your claim that the majority of truck owners never haul anything in them. I have never meet a truck owner who never used it to haul anything. You might be taken a bit more seriously if you didn't resort to ridiculous hyperbole.

152 posted on 09/26/2005 9:30:47 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: spunkets

Those are mid size cars. A full size is a Lincoln...ect. What can you haul in these cars? Where does the wheel barrow and tools go? How many sheets of plywood can you fit? Can you get a 1/2 to 1 ton in your midsize

Actually, you can haul quite a lot in, or with, a midsize vehicle. I own a Ford Focus wagon. I can put my rototiller in the back, and at the same time, carry up to 200lbs of lumber on the roof rack. I have also hauled upwards of 800lbs of concrete products in the back. Over that weight or for long hauls, I opt to attach the trailer. Now, with that amount of weight, my mileage drops from 30MPG to about 25MPG or less, given the terrain I drive over. It's just a matter of working effectively and safely with what you choose to drive. It can be done.

Now obviously, I can't haul a full sized travel trailer of boat with my vehicle, nor do I use it as a contractor would, but it serves my purposes.

153 posted on 09/26/2005 9:31:21 AM PDT by Sarajevo
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To: spunkets
"That's not true. It's simply a claim. The ones that buy them and don't use them to haul are a minority. That's from both the sales and repair industries. If your claim comes from personal observation, you need to realize that you didn't check the bed for evidence of being used for hauling. Most people don't load up their truck and drive around with that load 'till the truck wears out. How many flatbed trailers have you seen crusing around empty?"

Believe what you want. People are driving SUVS and trucks because they are in style (its a fad). Most people do very little hauling of any kind (maybe a few times a year). People could drive station wagons or mini-vans if they really wanted to and they would provide the hauling capicity that most people say they need, but those vehicles are not in style any more.
154 posted on 09/26/2005 9:31:54 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: antiRepublicrat

"IIRC, the Explorer is based on the F-150,..."

You have recalled incorrectly. The Expedition is based on the F-150.


155 posted on 09/26/2005 9:33:03 AM PDT by CSM ( It's all Bush's fault! He should have known Mayor Gumbo was a retard! - Travis McGee (9/2))
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To: Mr. Lucky

It might take a little time to optomize all the vehicles out there.


156 posted on 09/26/2005 9:34:01 AM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Dan12180

"Why don't we bump up the ethanol percentage and it will help reduce our gasoline usage."

No, you'll INCREASE it since it uses more fossil fuel to produce ethanol than you can reclaim from the ethanol.

Think of ethanol as an inefficient battery.

Ethanol is what you get when you mix corn with tax dollars.


157 posted on 09/26/2005 9:34:12 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Hendrix
If cars get twice the gas mileage and everything stays the same, we will cut consumption in half. What is illogical about that simple fact. That is as basic of logic as one could ask for.

You're ignoring the difference between "raising fuel efficiency standards" and actually achieving, under the immutable laws of thermodynamics and economics, such an increase.

California mandated that 3% of vehicles sold in the state be pure electric vehicles by about this year or so. Where did that get them? Absolutely nowhere, and billions of dollars were poured down a dead-end rathole in pursuit of a practical electric vehicle because of their shortsighted rules. Mandates are merely ways for politicians to pretend they're doing something, as opposed to having any relationship to the real world.

158 posted on 09/26/2005 9:34:37 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: SmithL

Ethanol sets a lot of people apart. In the later stages of interest it even gets people kicked from public buildings such as the City Library and from quasi-public areas such as the Mall.


159 posted on 09/26/2005 9:34:47 AM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: Hendrix; SmithL

Your SUV is only a small part of the US demand. Commercial use of fuel is a huge factor. Whether you burn 7 gallons today or 4 isn't a big factor.

And whether you burn 7 or 4 is nothing when you realize that the big price swings you see are driven by the Asian economy. Not the US economy.

Steel and concrete are going through the same thing, being driven upward by an active economy, most especially driven upward by an increased dynamism in the Asian economy. Again, the cement in your sidewalk is nothing, concrete is being driven up by other factors. A few pounds difference in the amount of metal in your car is nothing when China is on a building spree like never before in world history.

On a personal level, though, when it costs nearly a hundred dollars to fill your SUV, people make their own decisions to get a little PT Cruiser to ride around in when they don't need to drive the SUV, and they do it without anyone telling them to. If they don't, if you see a housewife riding around in her SUV by herself, then you have to imagine that she has decided its worth it to pay the hundred dollars to fill it because:

She doesn't have the money right now to buy another vehicle;

She needs a large vehicle to carry all the kids;

They occasionally haul stuff and can't afford to own several vehicles;

They have decided that the additional safety factor is worth it to them.

They keep making laws making it difficult to have a larger vehicle, and people keep coming up with ways around the laws because people want the option of having one if they want one. Outlaw them all together and people will buy school buses and outfit them in leather and stereo systems because if they believe they need one, no one is going to stop them.

I don't need one, and evidently you don't either. But if you need one bad enough to pay the $50 grand to buy it, and the hundred bucks to fill it, that is a decision you have to make. I'm not going to make it for you.


160 posted on 09/26/2005 9:34:55 AM PDT by marron
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