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Shroud of Turin 'shows future of science,' says local expert
The Tidings ^ | September 23, 2005 | Paula Doyle

Posted on 09/24/2005 3:55:47 PM PDT by NYer

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For more extensive scientific studies on the Shroud:

SHROUD STORY

1 posted on 09/24/2005 3:55:48 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/24/2005 3:57:10 PM PDT by NYer
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To: shroudie; Swordmaker

Shroud ping!


3 posted on 09/24/2005 3:59:53 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Not meaning to be sacriligious...but have they ever taken a DNA sample from the Shroud?


4 posted on 09/24/2005 4:01:09 PM PDT by paulat
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To: NYer

How nice to find a image of a 1st century rabbi on a shroud that dates to 12th Century (the great age of religious fakes).

I am sure I will base my faith on that. Yeppers!


5 posted on 09/24/2005 4:03:13 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practic politics that way.)
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To: NYer

This is one of those threads, posted as news, that will lead to charges of religion bashing toward anyone who offers a criticism.


6 posted on 09/24/2005 4:04:38 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: paulat

"They" meaning officials of the Catholic church, or maybe the family who actually own the Shroud?


7 posted on 09/24/2005 4:05:33 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: paulat

"Not meaning to be sacriligious...but have they ever taken a DNA sample from the Shroud?"

That is a good question. I believe when they were last allowed to examine it was before PCR technology was practical. IF it is blood stains or other bodily fluids on the shroud, it should be possible to extract them and get DNA fragments. Of course, I'm not sure what that would tell us. Possibly, the ethnic makeup of the person?



8 posted on 09/24/2005 4:07:04 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: muawiyah
"They" meaning officials of the Catholic church, or maybe the family who actually own the Shroud?

Anybody.

9 posted on 09/24/2005 4:07:11 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Sola Veritas
"Not meaning to be sacriligious...but have they ever taken a DNA sample from the Shroud?"

That is a good question. I believe when they were last allowed to examine it was before PCR technology was practical. IF it is blood stains or other bodily fluids on the shroud, it should be possible to extract them and get DNA fragments. Of course, I'm not sure what that would tell us. Possibly, the ethnic makeup of the person?

Who knows? If something were to be found from Mary...then comparisons could be made. And then parsing out the mother from the Father...you might have a look at the genetics of God (or God making his Son human).

It just seems to me like that would be fascinating.

10 posted on 09/24/2005 4:10:13 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat
My understanding is the Catholic Church is very, very, very careful who gets to take anything away from the Shroud ~ that would include any of the blood, and they have this thing about blood, particularly blood that may have belonged to Jesus.

The owners haven't taken anything in more than a century, but that doesn't mean they don't have a stash somewhere else.

11 posted on 09/24/2005 4:10:51 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: NYer

[She came to this theory "at the cost of my whole brain"...]



I don't know why, but I think that is very funny.


12 posted on 09/24/2005 4:12:33 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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Well......the atheists found the thread, already.


13 posted on 09/24/2005 4:13:55 PM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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Not meaning to be sacriligious...but have they ever taken a DNA sample from the Shroud?

Clone Jesus!

14 posted on 09/24/2005 4:15:33 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Donald Meaker
How nice to find a image of a 1st century rabbi on a shroud that dates to 12th Century (the great age of religious fakes).

Whether the shroud is a fake or not (I don't have a formed opinion on the topic), your post appears not to account for this:

During the conference, botany expert, Dr. Alan Whanger, indicated that pollen and flowers on the shroud reveal plants native to Jerusalem at the time of Jesus.

Somehow, I doubt that 12th Century Europeans are so clever as to have manipulated the pollen in the fabric to consist of plants from the Middle East.

15 posted on 09/24/2005 4:16:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Sola Veritas

"I'm not sure what that would tell us. Possibly, the ethnic makeup of the person?"

Mitochrondia DNA should be revealing now that I think of it. Also, in that, as I and other Christians belive, the Lord Jesus had no earthy father, I would like to see what his Y chromosome looks like. Should it not be unique?

He could not have gotten it from Mary. It had to be totally miracuous in nature and specially created by God for the conception. Would it be like the original man, Adam? Would it be like Abraham, the father of the Jews? Or, would it be like King David? If the shroud is genuine, then a DNA study of the Y chromosome would be extremely interesting. Of course, to those that don't believe it would make no difference.


16 posted on 09/24/2005 4:16:43 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Donald Meaker

This "rabbi" of which you speak Is the Son of God


17 posted on 09/24/2005 4:18:35 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: Thumper1960
No, Thumper 1960...I am NOT an atheist...I just have a love of science and wonder what the DNA would show:

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But, seriously...it is a question to be asked. If the DNA would show Mary and Joseph...what would we think? If the DNA shows Mary and someone else...what would we think? What if the DNA matched nothing known to humankind? Would that have made Jesus human? What would that do to our basis in faith?

Or, are we meant not to know?

18 posted on 09/24/2005 4:22:48 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Donald Meaker

you should be a little more up to date on your research.


19 posted on 09/24/2005 4:23:13 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Donald Meaker

I suppose one would have to live overseas to understand the true meaning of "The Ugly American".

This board - and others - epitomize why the rest of the world dislikes Americans. All you can do is hurl infantile and ignorant insults towards everybody's religious or cultural beliefs just because they don't fit into your narrow views of reality.

This is NOT just to you, mr meager --- there are a few other commentators in this string that it is directed towards.

I suggest that you read - THINK - then discuss merits or demerits of an article, religion or custom as you see them.

Then someone may actually care about your opinion instead of thinking which grade school you are currently enrolled in.


20 posted on 09/24/2005 4:23:13 PM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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