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Botched abortion kills both mother & baby
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/24/05 | Dr. Kelly Hollowell

Posted on 09/24/2005 2:08:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

This was so heartbreaking..there but for the Grace of God go I..I wish I could have talked to her parents first..Such a terrible, terrible waste and so awful to listen to and read.


181 posted on 09/25/2005 7:33:12 PM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: DLfromthedesert; jscottdavis_for_48th_district

Listen to the link in 178. From what I heard in the audio, (in this day and age of pro-abortion), is a lack of care and compassion from Marguerite. She sounds more concerned with not calling attention to her clinic than with the dying young woman.


182 posted on 09/25/2005 7:34:45 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: Palladin

Glad to hear it, for the sake of the women. Thanks for your courteous input.


183 posted on 09/25/2005 7:35:11 PM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: ariamne

Finally...someone else has heard and seen this. I couldn't just let this go. I couldn't go to bed until I knew this moved past myself. How *awful* was the caller? It is such a tragedy. Another raping of this young woman on the table.


184 posted on 09/25/2005 7:39:30 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: grellis

We are one about this. I have been called murderess and names when I have spoken out on behalf of we women victims of abortion before, and it really doesn't faze me, but anyone who is truly pro-life and a true Christian would understand the repentance of women who have been through it. And would appreciate that we of all people have the ability to counsel against abortion based on experience and our regret can save other babies and women.


185 posted on 09/25/2005 7:40:04 PM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I have lost much sleep over my own experience with this horror. And I will gladly take on your burden of hearing and reading this. Get some sleep, friend, and know you are not alone in your distress.


186 posted on 09/25/2005 7:42:45 PM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
If you outlaw abortion, mothers will go to the black market to have them performed regardless. Then we would have a very serious problem on our hands. In nations where abortions are illegal, just as many are performed on the black market compared to the nations that it legalized. Just something to consider.

I agree. This is something to consider.

187 posted on 09/25/2005 7:46:28 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: Lil'freeper

Might be generalized under a "medical clinic patient" policy. So they would put it under the same umbrella as a person getting some other surgery.


188 posted on 09/25/2005 7:48:35 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

The detachment of the caller Marguerite is chilling indeed. Heartless and soulless.

The autopsy report was equally disturbing. I lost it when I got to the place where it said: fingernails--chipped red polish. The poor child!

I see that her family brought her from Kenner TX to Wichita for the double slaughter. What kind of people are they?

This incident makes me want to get back into prolife work.


189 posted on 09/25/2005 7:54:32 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: ariamne

My apologies for my curt reply earlier. I went back and read the whole thread, and I see you are a recent convert to the prolife cause. Also grellis.

I am sorry for your loss of your child when you were younger. I admire your wisdom and grace in coming to the prolife viewpoint.

Now I understand why you were perhaps unaware of the numerous alternative-to-abortion organizations.

Please forgive me.


190 posted on 09/25/2005 7:59:04 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: bobbdobbs
"Live births" would be natural childbirths.No. Live births would be, just as stated...'live births,' i.e., births were a child was born alive. Natural childbirth references a vaginal birth with no drugs for pain management or induction of the labor. Got that? A 'live birth' is a live birth whether there was medical intervention or not.

The loss of maternal life, post abortion, many times IS NOT reported as abortion related. Bleed outs from a perforated uterus, 'nicked' bowels, sepsis, etc., are reported as such and not AS A COMPLICATION OF ABORTION. If the dots were connected (how did a 19 y/o, in otherwise perfect health, develop an overwhelming infection?) the rates of abortion morbidity would be higher and accurate.

191 posted on 09/25/2005 8:05:47 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Shiny things distract me :))
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To: Palladin

I believe the city is called Keller; and it's not too far from me.

And thank God for the lady who was, I believe, from Operation Rescue who took all the photos of the ambulance, and the baby killer Tiller. She also snapped photos of boxes of shredded documents being sent away from the clinic on a truck after Tiller was being sought to turn over files to the court.


192 posted on 09/25/2005 8:08:04 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: Palladin

My FRiend, there is nothing to forgive--I admire someone who can rethink a post and reconsider his/her response. Something I've had to do once or twice here myself, being a relative newbie both to FR, to God, and to conservatism, which has been such a blessing to me. My long-ago lost child is always with me and my newfound faith in God has helped me through it, as have so many in the pro-life movement who have embraced me. There have been a few who condemned me, but I do believe they need to search within themselves to find the source of their hate. I won't hide what I've done just to avoid criticism, especially when it could possibly save other women and children. Thanks for your humility and honesty. It is refreshing.
Blessings,
Ari


194 posted on 09/25/2005 8:19:50 PM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: bobbdobbs
Natural childbirth kills more mothers than abortions.

I'd like to see your source of facts to substantiate this. I can sit here and say that "bobbdobbs" is a total jerk. I know I've never met you but just saying it makes it so.....get the point. Back up your statement with facts or it's just conjecture on your part!

195 posted on 09/25/2005 8:23:46 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

"...This clinic should certainly be made to pay BIG for killing this young woman...."

Not to put too fine a point on this, but were'nt there TWO murder victims here?


196 posted on 09/25/2005 8:24:03 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!)
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To: bobbdobbs
As others have stated, many fatalities from abortion are reported as other causes not directly tied to abortion. I know someone who almost died from an abortion and her "illness" was reported as an "infection resulting from an incomplete miscarriage". I used to volunteer at a Pro-Life clinic and have see the utterly vulgar/disgusting side of the BABY KILLER (pro-choice) ghouls!
198 posted on 09/25/2005 8:55:25 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: ellery
Your question is an excellent one!

The next session of the US Supreme Court takes on two restrictions of abortion -- Parental Consent and Partial Birth Abortion. These might overturn Doe v. Bolton, if my response is correct...

God bless you on the excellent question!

199 posted on 09/26/2005 4:05:09 AM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: bobbdobbs

But the spiritual mortality rate is infinitely higher for mothers who have aborted God's children.


200 posted on 09/26/2005 4:12:46 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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