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Men's Temper Tantrums That Bother Women May Be Sex Discrimination (9th Circuit Strikes Again)
ASAP Newsletter ^ | September 2005 | Margaret Hart Edwards

Posted on 09/23/2005 12:38:17 PM PDT by Help!

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To: John Robertson

"Bosses get pissed, and raise their voices"

Only incompetent bosses.

I've been managing teams in deadline-sensitive, pressure situations for 20 years, and never -- not once -- have I yelled at, humiliated, or intimidated an employee. Not because there weren't times when didn't want to, mind you, but because it achieves absolutely nothing (unless you regard throwing your managerial weight around as an end in itself). Fact is, carrying on like a bull in a china shop makes bad situations worse.

It's much better to get the other members of your team to put pressure on the screw-up. It's in their interests not to be carrying underperformers and/or goldbricks, their perceptions are more accurate, and they like to go home on time. So they'll know before you do if some is a professional SNAFU artist.

Management is really pretty simple: Lead by example, talk softly, and treat people as you like to be treated. It's that simple.


61 posted on 09/23/2005 1:09:52 PM PDT by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: Help!
... claiming that the NEA created a sex-based hostile work environment for them through the conduct of an interim assistant executive director who frequently "screamed" at female employees in a loud and profane manner, with little or no provocation, shook his fists at them, stood behind an employee as she worked, and lunged across the table at another.

Sounds as he just couldn't deal with liberal idiots anymore. Many of us have felt the same.

62 posted on 09/23/2005 1:12:28 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Humidston
You're so precious.... ;-)

ROFL...new tagline
63 posted on 09/23/2005 1:12:54 PM PDT by PaulaB (You're so precious.... ;-))
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To: peacebaby
I would have a very hard time administering CPR to someone like that. How's it go again, stomp on ribcage then blow on face or do you blow on face first?? Hhhmmmm.....
64 posted on 09/23/2005 1:13:30 PM PDT by Millee (As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!!)
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To: peacebaby

I had a screamer as a boss once. He was yelling at me between client locations and I stopped the car on the side of the road, got out and sat on the trunk until he was done.

We had a "chat" on the freeway about adults talking to adults.

It worked.

We're still friends and this was 15 years ago.


65 posted on 09/23/2005 1:15:12 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (There are things in life that will catch your eye, but only a few catch your heart. Pursue those!)
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To: Help!

Boy does this hit home. A woman lawyer at work, who yelled at me, filed a formal complaint against me when I had the gall to stand up to her....this occurred twice. She was the aggressor in both instances.

The complaint fizzled when my immediate boss, who was a direct witness to the second instance, refused to take any action against me.

The workplace has gone to hell....


66 posted on 09/23/2005 1:15:46 PM PDT by fizziwig
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To: PaulaB

Well....he is.... ROFLOL!

Glad you like it.


67 posted on 09/23/2005 1:16:37 PM PDT by Humidston (It's Bush's fault)
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To: Millee

Good lesson to learn, Millee. I'm smarter for it. In some strange way, it was an honor to have worked for him...everyone who works for him thinks the same... . I'm also a champion to have come out of it a stronger woman.

I see my former co-workers now. We have a bond of having survived it. I was sitting at ground zero. I was the punching bag, when the others weren't being hit.

Some time later decided to work for another man - he made the mistake of disrespecting me within the first month. I was outathere.


68 posted on 09/23/2005 1:16:56 PM PDT by peacebaby (Wasting my time standing in the waiting line.)
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To: VA_Gentleman
Not according to the Hillary and the Feminist double standard.

This is nothing but the feminist, N.O.W. way of slowly but surely way to dominate and take control over men, and that there ? is their true agenda.

They have to take jobs, money, and power away from men, so they can gain power themselves and dominate and take control over men.
69 posted on 09/23/2005 1:17:23 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Help!
While there was evidence that the same director raised his voice with men on occasion, and once frightened a male subordinate, male employees seemed to deal with that abuse with banter,

If that director did that with me, I would have been looking for a new job, and he would have been looking for a few teeth.

70 posted on 09/23/2005 1:18:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: Brilliant

Not according to the feminist, Liberals, and the N.O.W. crowd.


71 posted on 09/23/2005 1:18:46 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Dashing Dasher

One man used to burb while dictating...

One man loved to look at my breasts...

One man I enterviewed with told me he'd rather HIS wife be at home cooking dinner.

wierd stuff, I'm telling you.


72 posted on 09/23/2005 1:18:58 PM PDT by peacebaby (Wasting my time standing in the waiting line.)
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To: John Robertson
No manager is allowed to lose his cool even ONE time? No matter the circumstances? And if he does, he's gone, out of a job? Bosses get pissed, and raise their voices. It happens.

If a guy occasionally raised his voice simply for affect as a motivating tool, I'm willing to give it a pass.

But if the guy doing the yelling has lost control of his emotions, he's nothing more than a bitch with huevos.

73 posted on 09/23/2005 1:21:21 PM PDT by Freebird Forever (A thousand Bravehearts are better than one)
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To: Humidston

Blonde?-- well, here ya go:

The very first ever Blonde GUY joke.....

An Irishman, a Mexican, and a blonde guy were doing construction work on scaffolding on the 20th floor of a building.

They were eating lunch and the Irishman said, "Corned Beef and Cabbage! If I get Corned Beef and Cabbage one more time for lunch,
I'm going to jump off this building."

The Mexican opened his lunch box and exclaimed, "Burritos again! If I get Burritos one more time I'm going to jump off, too."

The blond opened his lunch and said, Bologna again! If I get a Bologna sandwich one more time, I'm jumping too."

The next day, the Irishman opened his lunch box, saw Corned Beef and Cabbage, and jumped to his death.

The Mexican opened his lunch, saw a Burrito, and jumped, too.

The blonde guy opened his lunch, saw the Bologna, and jumped to his death as well.

At the funeral, the Irishman's wife was weeping. She said, "If I'd known how really tired he was of Corned Beef and Cabbage,
I never would have given it to him again!"

The Mexican's wife also wept and said, "I could have given him Tacos or Enchiladas! I didn't realize he hated Burritos so much."

(Oh this is GOOD!!)

Everyone turned and stared at the blonde's wife.

The blonde's wife said, "Don't look at me. He makes his own lunch."


74 posted on 09/23/2005 1:21:54 PM PDT by Mark (Proven scientific experiment: The NY Times flushes easily down the standard toilet.)
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To: Help!

As a woman I find this entire thing ridiculous.God am I glad my working days are over.

Men were men and women were women in my day and I LIKED IT THAT WAY.!!!!!!!!!!


75 posted on 09/23/2005 1:22:24 PM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: Help!

The camel's nose under the tent. Next they will be taking votes in the office to determine if you appear to be intimidating. I'm glad I only have three years left in the workplace zoo.


76 posted on 09/23/2005 1:22:40 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: peacebaby
I'm thankful that my CEO is a reasonable man
I deal with every aspect of his life so we have to have respect for each other to pull this off. He has his weird days when he thinks Bush is evil and trying to take over the world but then I give him the truth and he settles down.
77 posted on 09/23/2005 1:22:53 PM PDT by PaulaB (You're so precious.... ;-))
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To: Humidston
I have never worked with a man who acted the way some women do!

Simply put, we aren't of the same makeup.

Some however want to forgo reality and change that fact via law.

In the broad political scheme of things, blending of the genders in this way, creating an issue of sex out of every situation, creates a yellow brick road to the dissolution of differences between the sexes.

Hence, the eventual partner relationship, no male/female differences, and acceptability of male/male, male/female, and female/female situations.

Directive? Same sex marriage.

My vision may be considered an extreme mindset by some, however the 9th circuit is an extreme DC.

78 posted on 09/23/2005 1:23:45 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: peacebaby

Been through plenty of it myself.

Gets better... really, it does...

I think.


79 posted on 09/23/2005 1:24:13 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (There are things in life that will catch your eye, but only a few catch your heart. Pursue those!)
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To: LibertyRocks
...it represents a loss of control.

As you say, not only is that behavior counter productive it represents a forfeiture of leadership and that leads to potential manipulation, which means loss of authority, which leads to.... and on and on. It is bad management no matter the manager or the managed.

80 posted on 09/23/2005 1:24:44 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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