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Involuntary Manslaughter Charges to Filed in Nursing Home Flood Deaths.
fox news channel ^ | 9/13/05 | Fox news channel

Posted on 09/13/2005 2:51:21 PM PDT by Rebelbase

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To: Moral Hazard
It's hard to tell how they could ever actually prove the case.

According to Fox News just now, the owners were given opportunities to get the patients out in advance of the storm and refused to do so.

These owners are in serious trouble.

21 posted on 09/13/2005 2:58:19 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Rebelbase

They're suing the staff? What ever happened to going for the deep pockets?

The staff probably have nothing to their names, except what's left on their $2,000.00 debit cards.


22 posted on 09/13/2005 2:58:48 PM PDT by keats5
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To: keats5

Oops, never mind- this isn't a civil suit.


23 posted on 09/13/2005 3:00:00 PM PDT by keats5
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To: MarkeyD

I heard that the owners had called Bush and Rove. They told the owners it was O.K. to head for the high ground because the mayor was sending a bus over to pick the patients up.


24 posted on 09/13/2005 3:00:18 PM PDT by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Rove's fault.)
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To: MarkeyD

I heard that the owners had called Bush and Rove. They told the owners it was O.K. to head for the high ground because the mayor was sending a bus over to pick the patients up.


25 posted on 09/13/2005 3:00:23 PM PDT by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Rove's fault.)
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To: MarkeyD

I heard that the owners had called Bush and Rove. They told the owners it was O.K. to head for the high ground because the mayor was sending a bus over to pick the patients up.


26 posted on 09/13/2005 3:00:26 PM PDT by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Rove's fault.)
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To: Rebelbase

Since this story broke, I have wondered what really happened. The workers may have had no way to evacuate those patients. I'd like to know what (if any) evac plans the nursing home had....was there transportation & the workers didn't use it? Did they try to call anyone to get the folks out? Did they notify the families? We simply don't know yet.


27 posted on 09/13/2005 3:00:38 PM PDT by Feiny (I am not mean. You're just a sissy.)
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To: keats5

Anyone able to confirm the rumor that the government wants to give all Katrina evacuees a $250,000 debit card?? Heard something on Kudlow's show, CNBC.


28 posted on 09/13/2005 3:01:37 PM PDT by stopem
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To: Moral Hazard
It's hard to tell how they could ever actually prove the case. While the staff has some duty to the nursing home residents, I don't think the law requires them to do anything that would put themselves at risk.

On FOX they said that it is against the law for them to flee and NOT take those who were helpless, whose lives they were entrusted with, and that they already have been charged with negligent homicide.

29 posted on 09/13/2005 3:02:17 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: Rebelbase
Owners were asked if they wanted to move the patients, they said "no".

Oh My!

30 posted on 09/13/2005 3:02:56 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: feinswinesuksass

While I was typing that response, more info was posted. The owner refused the evac order.....then they deserve to be charged & will rot in hell.


31 posted on 09/13/2005 3:03:05 PM PDT by Feiny (I am not mean. You're just a sissy.)
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To: stopem

Sure, I'll confirm it. They also get a ride on the next space shuttle, any piece of land they choose & a lifetime supply of of spam.


32 posted on 09/13/2005 3:04:52 PM PDT by Feiny (I am not mean. You're just a sissy.)
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To: Jorge
I don't think the law requires them to do anything that would put themselves at risk.

Sort of comparable to employees of "the state" having no obligation to protect mere citizens?

33 posted on 09/13/2005 3:06:46 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Rebelbase
Therriot thinks about 60 other people died, apart from the 30 or so at St. Rita's.

He is worried that because of the horrifying accounts of what happened at St. Rita's, people may not understand how much was done to save lives here. He is fiercely loyal to the Manganos, owners of the nursing home.

"Before I joined the sheriff's department, I was an EMT (emergency medical technician), and I was in there lots of times," Therriot said, adding that he had known the owners for more than two decades. "It was the nicest, cleanest nursing home in the parish. Mable and Sal were very good people."

In fact, when he was interviewed, Therriot said he was convinced that the Manganos had died in the home, refusing to leave their patients.

"I'll bet you they find them in there," he said.

But later, Larry Ingargiola, a leading emergency management official for the parish, said the Manganos had been found.

"They are alive," he said. "We have had contact with them, but don't ask me what happened there. I just don't know."

It is not known where the Manganos are and what they have said to authorities. It also is not known what happened to the nurses and other attendants at the home.

Various accounts have surfaced: that the Manganos thought they had the situation in hand and refused buses offered by local officials; that an agreement with another nursing home for transportation somehow fell apart.

What is known is that of some 60 patients -- elderly, mentally disabled, convalescents -- about half were found dead at the facility. It has been reported that those who could walk got out and those who were bedridden didn't make it. It also has been reported that a table had been found nailed over a window, apparently in a last desperate attempt to halt the deluge

Nursing home deaths test parish


According to the three men who run the parish the parish president, the sheriff and the fire chief, who said they saw it themselves hundreds of residents were killed, including 31 who were found in a nursing home. Officials said there were 65 residents at the nursing home, St. Rita's, but they could not say how some of them survived while others perished.

In a telephone interview on Saturday night, Joseph A. Donchess, executive director of the Louisiana Nursing Home Association, said he was told about the deaths at the nursing home on Friday by the Coast Guard, which had sent a reconnaissance team there. "Thank God, some people did survive," Donchess said. "Some people were literally plucked out of the water by Coast Guard helicopters and were evacuated to the airport and sent on to Houston."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3339745


Steve Kuiper, vice president of operations for Acadian Ambulance, said he was told that St. Rita's had an evacuation plan that depended on another nursing home. Acadian, by far the largest ambulance provider in the state, used helicopters to evacuate many of the parish's neediest medical cases after the storm hit. But Mr. Kuiper said he never heard from St. Rita's.

"They didn't think this would ever happen," Mr. Melerine said. "They just didn't evacuate."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10188.htm


34 posted on 09/13/2005 3:06:48 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Rebelbase

And what about the charges against Noodle Nagin? and Blank-o?


35 posted on 09/13/2005 3:08:03 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Rebelbase

This is even more involved, and ugly.
Remember the tearful discription by a fellow named Aaron Broussard on Meet the Press two Sundays ago after Russert skewered Chertoff? Broussard was blaming the feds and Bush for the slow response to Katrina which caused the death of the mother of a friend of his who was in a nursing home. St. Rita's was/is the nursing home.
Another piece to this, in his tearful explanation, Broussard went thru a day by day of the woman calling her son and asking if anyone was coming for her. Then, Broussard tearfully closed saying she died on Friday,Sept 2nd because no one ever came. But, if one reads the several newspaper stories about this nursing home tragedy, inclusive of the NY Times, the patients died on Monday, August 29th, the same day that the storm rolled into Louisianna.
That Meet the Press interview was a scummy CYA by a local Democrat hack.


36 posted on 09/13/2005 3:08:51 PM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Rebelbase

If they're guilty of Negligent Homicide, then so are Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin. Period.


37 posted on 09/13/2005 3:08:51 PM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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To: Rebelbase
....the Louisiana State Attorney General will file involuntary manslaughter charges against nursing home staff that fled and left 31 people to die in the flood waters.

How about the Mayor that fled to Baton Rouge and left 200,000 low-income citizens and over 400 parked publicly-owned buses in the storm surge zone in violation of his own evacuation plan?

38 posted on 09/13/2005 3:09:15 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: feinswinesuksass
I'd like to know what (if any) evac plans the nursing home had..

Steve Kuiper, vice president of operations for Acadian Ambulance, said he was told that St. Rita's had an evacuation plan that depended on another nursing home. Acadian, by far the largest ambulance provider in the state, used helicopters to evacuate many of the parish's neediest medical cases after the storm hit. But Mr. Kuiper said he never heard from St. Rita's.

"They didn't think this would ever happen," Mr. Melerine said. "They just didn't evacuate."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10188.htm


39 posted on 09/13/2005 3:09:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: feinswinesuksass

Their lawyer contacted authorities and the lawyer said that their story differs quite a bit from the story being presented in the media.

Do I trust the media? NO, so I'll wait for more facts.


40 posted on 09/13/2005 3:10:48 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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