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Katrina Live Threads, Part XV
Various ^ | 4 September 2005 | Various

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:14:35 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: BurbankKarl

Actual TFR
FDC 5/7966 ZHU PART 1 OF 2 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS NEW ORLEANS, LA. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137(A)(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN AN AREA BOUNDED BY: 300622N/0902611W THE RESERVE (RQR) VOR/DME 080.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 8.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 301017N/0895411W THE RESERVE (RQR) VOR/DME 080.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 36.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 295406N/0895324W THE RESERVE (RQR) VOR/DME 105.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 38.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 295157N/0901503W THE RESERVE (RQR) VOR/DME 125.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 22.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 295100N/0902232W THE RESERVE (RQR) VOR/DME 140.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 18.0 NAUTICAL MILES BACK TO ORIGINAL POINT AT AND BELOW 5000 FEET MSL TO PROTECT PERSONS AND PROPERTY ON THE SURFACE OR IN THE AIR FROM HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EFFECTS OF THE HURRICANE, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE LOSSES, AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS; TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR RELIEF AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS AND TO ADDRESS THE LOSS OF RADAR, AIR-GROUND COMMUNICATIONS, AND AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) SERVICES. ONLY HURRICANE KATRINA DISASTER RELIEF AIRCRAFT SUCH AS MEDICAL EVACUATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDER, AND OTHER EMERGENCY OPERATIONS RELATED FLIGHTS IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF FEDERAL STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES ARE AUTHORIZED TO END PART 1 OF 2
FDC 5/7966 ZHU PART 2 OF 2 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS NEW ORLEANS, LA. OPERATE WITHIN THIS TFR. ALL CIVIL AIRCRAFT REQUESTING TO OPERATE WITHIN THE AREA MUST CONTACT THE FAA RECOVERY DESK AT 703-904-4547 (PRIMARY), 800-333-4286 (SECONDARY), PRIOR TO DEPARTURE. ALL FIXED WING AIRCRAFT, CIVIL AND MILITARY, REQUESTING TO LAND AT MSY MUST CALL THE FAA RECOVERY DESK FOR AN IFR SLOT RESERVATION TIME. ALL CIVIL AIRCRAFT ONCE AIRBORNE, MUST CONTACT AIRBORNE EARLY WARNING (AEW) AIRCRAFT CALLSIGN OMAHA 44 ON FREQUENCY 134.9/282.425, WHICH IS SUPPORTING RELIEF AIR OPERATIONS IN THE TFR AREA PRIOR TO ENTERING THE TFR AIRSPACE. ALL AIRCRAFT WILL REMAIN IN CONTACT WITH OMAHA 44 FOR FLIGHT ADVISORIES. THE AEW AIRCRAFT WILL ONLY PROVIDE ADVISORY SERVICE TO FACILITATE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AMONG THE PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT AND WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING IN THE TFR AIRSPACE MUST EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION. ALL DOD ASSETS IN SUPPORT OF KATRINA OPERATIONS SHOULD CONTACT THE ATO CELL AT 850-283-5864/5840 OR 5841 FOR INCLUSION ON THE JOINT TASK FORCE KATRINA AIR TASKING ORDER. END PART 2 OF 2


1,881 posted on 09/05/2005 1:40:58 PM PDT by BurbankKarl (u)
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To: RTINSC
Haven't seen this mentioned yet, so I will join the discussion. This storm was a Eastbank event for New Orleans, not an Westbank event. There was very little wind damage from the storm on the west wall, flooding was the problem. Since we are looking at possible transportation issues for those stranded at the Dome, see the image below.

However, besides hundreds of buses, there were many water towers that were unaffected, tons of trucking centers with available trucks (hotwire if you need too) and plenty of supplies in warehouses that had a dry route to the dome. Why didn't the Mayor/Governor use the resources available?


1,882 posted on 09/05/2005 1:40:59 PM PDT by BushCountry (They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong.)
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To: Miss Marple
Saying the President was 'slow to react' flies in the face of the facts.

How can you be SLOW, when you act BEFORE a disaster in an unprecedented manner??

How can a guy like Forbes completely ignore the facts? What's to gain??

1,883 posted on 09/05/2005 1:41:03 PM PDT by ohioWfan (If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
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To: fr33p3r

Welcome to FR.


1,884 posted on 09/05/2005 1:41:45 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: mystery-ak

Me? I'll start praying for Alabama. How's that? Mobile to be exact...


1,885 posted on 09/05/2005 1:41:51 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Republican Red

great comments from Honore.


1,886 posted on 09/05/2005 1:42:09 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Miss Marple
"Write off Steve Forbes"

This is unreal. Boy would my Dad have been disappointed in that. He really loved Steve Forbes.

1,887 posted on 09/05/2005 1:42:25 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: ohioWfan

Yes, his unit will command and control....big shots....


1,888 posted on 09/05/2005 1:42:40 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: ohioWfan

What we're learning is that the majority in D.C. are Poll contructed rhetoric regugitating nitwits.

The few that aren't on a certain line of thought are the ones I'm making note of.


1,889 posted on 09/05/2005 1:42:47 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: Miss Marple

I just heard Steve Forbes and was equally disgusted.

Can not ONE single Republican speak about some of the very things we're talking about. We're not ALL nuts.


1,890 posted on 09/05/2005 1:43:22 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: mystery-ak
never believe a timetable in the military

LOL! How well I know that now! Eric's 6 months was 15 as well...

1,891 posted on 09/05/2005 1:43:49 PM PDT by ohioWfan (If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
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To: RTINSC

There wasn't much "high ground" on the first 3 days of last week.


1,892 posted on 09/05/2005 1:43:54 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: mystery-ak

Oh, no. I know you'll miss him.

Can he e-mail you and we'll get good updates from someone we know and trust?


1,893 posted on 09/05/2005 1:44:11 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Miss Marple

its because they ALL have been listening to the mainstream media all weekend - they have no other perspective. talk radio is ramping up the counter-attack this week.


1,894 posted on 09/05/2005 1:44:41 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Peach

Whoa Peach, that is awful.

My husband and I were discussing the other day that part of the problem in NO, is that they made residential areas out of swampland and that should NEVER have been used...and that is just one thing wrong...

BUT this article is scary for the future--long time future of the whole Gulf Coast..


1,895 posted on 09/05/2005 1:44:41 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: TexKat

Damn it. And I liked disliking Lott. :-)

Well, always figured Lott for his own man. Had to give him that. Guess he's now off my list. I don't trust him politically, but to buck the beltway and defend the president reveals something good about the character of the man.


1,896 posted on 09/05/2005 1:44:42 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: John Jamieson

Maybe because freepers are right about things so often?

I can't think of a solid good reason to let those people in today. Maybe there is a good reason, but I've yet to hear it articulated by the "leadership" in NO.


1,897 posted on 09/05/2005 1:45:28 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Just got another call...looks like Baton Rouge for a start..


1,898 posted on 09/05/2005 1:45:36 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: Leapfrog

Thanks. It's good to be among FRiends!


1,899 posted on 09/05/2005 1:45:37 PM PDT by fr33p3r
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To: A Citizen Reporter
One thing we cannot know about a candidate or an officeholder, until they are tested, is whether they are loyal or fair-weather friends, whether they are courageous or cowards.

Steve Forbes is obviously a coward. Dittos for Jindal and Gingrich.

I have no more use for any of them. They know the facts; they are simply unwilling to take heat from the press.

1,900 posted on 09/05/2005 1:45:47 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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