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When the levees broke, the waters rose and Bush’s credibility sank with New Orleans
Times Online ^ | 8/4/05 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 09/04/2005 1:56:57 AM PDT by Crackingham

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To: Crackingham
But the system of government in New Orleans is byzantine in its complexity, with different levees answering to different authorities, and corruption and incompetence legendary.

More politically explosive, the Bush administration has slashed the budget for rebuilding the levees.

Naturally to the MSM, legendary corruption and incompetence in NOLA is not a "politically explosive" as any lame opportunity to blame Bush.

61 posted on 09/04/2005 3:11:18 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: uncitizen
**..."the system of government in New Orleans is byzantine in its complexity, with different levees answering to different authorities, and corruption and incompetence legendary."**

Therein lies the blame.

This needs to be repeated---often.

62 posted on 09/04/2005 3:11:30 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: StarSpangled
But from now on, when you reference something like that, you really ought to know the source.

As i said the sources were there. And don't tell me what to do.
63 posted on 09/04/2005 3:11:51 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Voter#537

They weren't partying in the Superdome. We need to focus on the history of the levees to see exactly who took his eye off the ball or didn't proceed with funding to make them adequate.


64 posted on 09/04/2005 3:12:07 AM PDT by StarSpangled
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To: Crackingham

If there is a "take 'em to task" sentiment growing with regards to the handling of the situation, ... Blanco and Nagin should get "front of the line" privileges to be called on the carpet.

Nagin's spews are obvious attempts to divert/deflect attention from NOLA's lack of will to follow-up or facilitate the tardy evacuation order. It was incumbent upon him not only to say "get out," ... but to also marshal the means to move those without independent ability to do so. This should have all been in writing and would have been triggered by the utterance of the evac order.

Likewise, upon word that NOLA was being evacuated, Blanco and Co. should have been able to make one or two phone calls to have "boots on the ground" and wheels rolling in order to head 'em up and move 'em out. Having said that, you could bet that probably more than half of the designated evacuees would have, ... or did, ignore the order to go. There is an attitude among some folk in the area that because they have escaped in the past, they could ride this one out. They gambled, and many lost.

While there were no doubt many innocent victims, ... there were probably just as many who chose to tempt fate, either because they felt they were "inconvenienced" or because they thought that whatever happened "the government" would save their posterior. In this case, the sad truth is that many abandoned common sense.

Disaster preparedness just becomes plain "disaster" if it isn't taken seriously.


65 posted on 09/04/2005 3:12:28 AM PDT by Dharmic (The Left is Shameless, Surfing on Disaster)
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To: All
For the discussion:

September 4, 2005 - Flood of regret...waves of anger - Blueprint to save New Orleans was created but never realized

Same author:

October 2001 - Mark Fischetti: Drowning New Orleans A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands. Human activities along the Mississippi River have dramatically increased the risk, and now only massive reengineering of southeastern Louisiana can save the city

66 posted on 09/04/2005 3:14:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: uncitizen

Didn't mean to offend you.


67 posted on 09/04/2005 3:16:16 AM PDT by StarSpangled
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To: StarSpangled

Would you "ping" me when you find the link? This would be great to forward beyond the forum.

Thanks.


68 posted on 09/04/2005 3:18:41 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Sure. Maybe Howlin can give me better directions since I guess he (she?) was the one who first posted it.


69 posted on 09/04/2005 3:21:32 AM PDT by StarSpangled
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To: this_ol_patriot

The whole Gulf Coast is in the same danger. Do you thing that they should all moved over 100 miles inland? or maybe just be better prepared. Every place in this country is subject to some kind of distaster.


70 posted on 09/04/2005 3:24:13 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: StarSpangled

Thanks.


71 posted on 09/04/2005 3:25:01 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: R. Scott

It wasn't a matter of money. It did't matter, the levee was never going to be built to withstand a Cat 5.


72 posted on 09/04/2005 3:25:52 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: jveritas

Just a FYI, The Times isn't "liberal media" its fairly right wing, and its owned by none other than our very own Rupert Murdoch, owner of FOX.


73 posted on 09/04/2005 3:26:58 AM PDT by Axlrose
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To: tobyhill

Popeye's is the very best store bought chicken, and they have the best onion rings if you can find them.


74 posted on 09/04/2005 3:27:18 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: wotan

I never heard the President say that the feds help was unacceptable, only that the situation period was unacceptable.


75 posted on 09/04/2005 3:31:23 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: putupjob
You better find some new friends and relatives! You need to be in contact with a more informed class of people!

What lack of response? Not from federal gov't!

Who failed to declare and emergency? Who failed to call for forced evacuation of NO? Who failed to have the NOPD and NOFD working instead of looting? Who left school buses unused only to be immersed in flood waters?

The only people that are to blame for this disaster are the people of NO, they voted for these clowns. Do we feel sorry for these people? Damn right we do! But sympathy goes only so far, when they start blaming others for their own lack of governmental and personal planning the song get old quick.

My contempt comes from viewing video taken in a WalMart store. A male is looting, but has time to talk to a tv crew. Others are obviously looting. Among them are 2 female members of the NOPD. When questioned one claims to be doing here job. What is that job? Looking for looters! (Only in NOLA but without her seeing eye dag and white cane!)

76 posted on 09/04/2005 3:33:58 AM PDT by RdhseRat
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To: mariabush
It wasn't a matter of money. It did't matter, the levee was never going to be built to withstand a Cat 5.

It would take several years of high priority work to upgrade the levees to take a Cat 4. My point was that both the city and the State considered tourism more important than the safety of the residents.
77 posted on 09/04/2005 3:35:44 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: jveritas
I realize that,but so many only listen to main stream media,and all these lies about Bush,I fear one day they may stick.I heard recently from people who voted for Bush the same sh-t the media's saying.Bush has the military so thin.Bush is in with the oil companies etc etc,.
78 posted on 09/04/2005 3:36:16 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: jveritas

Exactly...this is always how it starts too.

They (the media and press) start piling on about a certain issue, and Bush comes out unaffected.

Happened in 2000, happened in 2002, happened in 2004.

Of course the fact that Bush isn't running again and they are carping anyway always amuses me.


79 posted on 09/04/2005 3:37:58 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

I just hope all the daily media's negative comments about Bush doesn't hurt the rest of his Presidency.


80 posted on 09/04/2005 3:38:29 AM PDT by patriciamary
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