Posted on 09/03/2005 8:44:11 PM PDT by Wolfstar
Well, we don't call them rats for nothing. Once again they've proven they deserve this handle.
Marking...thanks for your hard work.
OUTSTANDING. Thanks for your work and all who contribute. New media bump.
How do you know the article is referring to the Friday before the storm? The writer seems to jump around with regard to the timing.
That's the point -- I don't know.
Have not read the whole thread but is there anyway a few pictures of the computer models (perhaps 3 over the week leading up to the LA/MS landfall) can be inserted showing how quickly all the models came together and where ALL of them were predicting Katrina to hit land. This needs to be to emphasized to show that there was some lead time to get these people out .
The mainstream media's coverage of this unprecedented calamity has been and continues to be appallingly dishonest and incendiary and, while I have been angry at MSM in the past, I am livid now!! My fury is swiftly reaching a category 5!
Thank you, Wolfstar, for your efforts in putting this information together and, as always, thank you bitt, for the ping to valuable resource!
I honestly think the feds response has been pretty fast concidering they havn't had the support of the local goverment. How fast they can respond in any area depends on having people who are familiar with the city or area and actaully show leadership by sharing that info. with FEMA so they can do their job and co ordinate the fed resources coming in. States and cities in FL and NY show that they did have people in place to get the chaos under control and with the knowledge and the guts to make decisions on the run. There has been way to much hesitation on the part of the Gov. of LA and the mayor of the city of NO.
Whining doesn't help when people need guidence in an emergency, save the whinnyness for later, after you've dealt with the immediate chaos and needs.
I watched various news reports and weather predictions leading up to landfall, and IMHO, anyone who stayed behind was certifiable.
You missed the point. The hurricane could have veered and hit Houston. The food would then have been mis-positioned to the disadvantage of Houston.
The common knowledge comes into play organizationally with the standard operating procedure that individuals and local authorities store enough food to last for 72 hours until the federal and state authorities can organize larger disaster efforts. We don't have to make this up on the spot, its been this way for years.
When I lived in St. Tammany parish, I stocked up. It was the mayor's plan to use the superdome, where was his 72 hours of food?
Has anyone ever considered that New Orleans should have had 3-5 days worth of emergency supplies inside their own saucer of a city? I only see blame of the Fed response. Never a question of the responsibility of people who LIVE in the path of hurricanes.....There will be plenty of blame for the mayor and governor. In one interview the mayor said he didn't order the evacuation because of legal concerns about liability and that he tried to get a clear answer on evacuation from the governor's office and could never get a clear answer on who was in charge of such things.It's not because you're new; it's because you're MISINFORMED. 32 posted on 09/03/2005 11:55:30 PM EDT by Howlin
But as to the Federal response, some military sources are starting to say they were held up by FEMA. And friends at an NGO have told me that privately FEMA employees are blaming their absorption into Homeland security for reducing the budget devoted to natural disaster.
Link Free Republic Thread - Red tape keeping much of military on sidelines So there is plenty of blame to go around. And I don't see how we are honestly going to conclude how much goes to whom at this point.
But it is clear there were problems with the Federal system so there is no point in claiming otherwise. Better, in my opinion, to emphasize how President Bush's personal intervention saved thousands of lives. But I know that is a very unpopular opinion in this thread.
"Whining doesn't help when people need guidance in an emergency, save the whinnyness for later, after you've dealt with the immediate chaos and needs."
I agree. But it is clear that most of the people in this thread are ready to go into political battle now so I think it's worth discussing what the best strategy is.
Houston, Shreveport, Memphis, etc. are exactly where food should have been pre-positioned to to support disaster recovery in New Orleans. You certainly did not want to move supplies into New Orleans proper, because it was understood that New Orleans would need to be completely evacuated in the face of a Cat 4/5 storm. Those people need to go somewhere where they can be sheltered and fed. If the people aren't in New Orleans, the supplies shouldn't be there either.
Regarding the Mayor's plan, I direct your attention to this FR thread and the actual New Orleans evacuation plan.
The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.There was never any intent to feed people at the Superdome. It was a "refuge of last resort" meaning that it was a temporary shelter to be used only until the hurricane itself passed. There's nothing in the plan about what to do if the levees break and people are trapped in the "refuges of last resort."
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Last Resort Refuge
The definition of Last Resort Refuge is a place for persons to be protected from the high winds and heavy rains from the storm. Unlike a shelter, there may be little or no water or food and possibly no utilities. A Last Resort Refuge is intended to provide best available survival protection for the duration of the hurricane only.
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When it is determined that weather conditions permit, rescue teams will be sent into areas designated for Last Resort Refuge to transport evacuees to designated shelters.
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I read that on a post here at FR. I believe it was from a news report.
The good side of that kind of bitter nonesense (the banners) is that it requires only the slightest response from us. People don't fall for that stuff so easily anymore, and to get it to backfire on them takes very little on our part.
Great job!!
BRAVO!!!
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