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Who's to Blame? Let's ask Mayor Nagin about this:
Yahoo ^ | 2 September 2005 | Self

Posted on 09/02/2005 7:37:54 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate

Edited on 09/02/2005 7:51:53 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: MarkeyD

Every shot I saw of the interstates out of NO showed northbound traffic only in the northbound lanes.


281 posted on 09/02/2005 10:34:02 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: MarkeyD

Good point!

Next time, the inbound busses should be mobilized before the Gov. declares one way out traffic.

But as Louie Prima sings - "Next time, there ain't no next time"!


282 posted on 09/02/2005 11:03:04 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: An.American.Expatriate

placemarker...


283 posted on 09/02/2005 11:10:36 AM PDT by Semper911 (Real estate is not real anymore.)
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To: MarkeyD

WHOOPS! How un-PC I am!! Should have said "saltines"! (or dry, square, salted pieces of cardboard!) I'll try to watch it from now on!:)


284 posted on 09/02/2005 11:36:43 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

There are at least 120 busses in that photo. That's enough for a single run of bout 3,600 people. And if the good mayor had ordered the evacuation 12 hours earlier, those busses could have made at least three, if not four, runs. That's a good chunk of people. But I do agree with some of the president's detractors (and I read this somewhere else - wish I would have come up with it on my own). The President should have known the Mayor and the Governor were stupid. He should have anticipated that.


285 posted on 09/02/2005 11:42:53 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Enchante

"Looks like there are 200+ buses sitting uselessly in the flood waters."

If those are standard 55pax school buses, and only 200 of them, they'd have been able to move about 11,000 people out of the city. If they had people laying or sitting in the aisles, they could have moved a few more per bus. Who needs a toilet if waiting for it means your life? As for the lack of a sauna someone else mentioned, all they have to do is ride with the windows up, and they'll have their sauna, too.


286 posted on 09/02/2005 12:10:36 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: Old Student

Someone else said there were at least 300+, plus municipal and charter buses if they had gotten their act together. At least they could have gotten a lot of the "most vulnerable" out in time....


287 posted on 09/02/2005 12:12:58 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

"Someone else said there were at least 300+, plus municipal and charter buses if they had gotten their act together. At least they could have gotten a lot of the "most vulnerable" out in time...."

If they'd started at the 72 hour point, and made multiple runs, they'd have done better than 11,000, too. 7-P's time. Proper Prior Planning Prevents P**s Poor Performance. If I were Nagin, I'd be moving to someplace in Africa, where no-one had ever heard of me.


288 posted on 09/02/2005 12:17:27 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: freema

I know and love my president, George W. Bush, but who the hell is Nagin?!


289 posted on 09/02/2005 1:25:09 PM PDT by bethtopaz (We will not allow another generation of heroes to be forsaken. -- NewLand, from Free Republic)
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To: Velveeta
Why

(What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them.)

"There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency." ~ Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

290 posted on 09/02/2005 2:43:58 PM PDT by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Drudge has it up now.


291 posted on 09/02/2005 2:51:12 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Cindy - The new 'C' word! I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: pgyanke
Friday night is more than 50 hours before landfall

Thanks for the info ... I was asking the question because I didn't know the answer.

292 posted on 09/02/2005 3:22:35 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: mewzilla

"I wonder when Nagin's family left."


It was reported on one of the news networks that they left by plane on Friday or Saturday. Can't remember which. I know it was not as late as Sunday.


293 posted on 09/02/2005 3:26:25 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Callahan
Doesn't matter quite so much. The levees were never *designed* for a storm as extreme as the one that hit. They would've needed at least a year and probably a billion dollars to make them more capable. CNN ran a piece on a 'plan' to do this. It's up to the People's representatives to make sure crap like this gets done. Forget that, the mayor didn't act to evacuate his people. He squandered at least two full days (while getting his own family out, mind you) and left hundreds of reliable transportation units in the form of school buses unused.

Now, like a spoil brat, he throws a fit. And with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the Congressional Black Caucus lining up to play the race card and RFK Jr (and others) playing the global warming card, he'll have plenty of cover as long as he tows the Democrat line of attack.

294 posted on 09/02/2005 3:31:54 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: nj patriot

I hadn't thought of that but in light of the looting and armed violence, you may be onto something. What a cesspool. Once metaphorically, now a reality.


295 posted on 09/02/2005 3:33:22 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: AD from SpringBay
The President should have known the Mayor and the Governor were stupid. He should have anticipated that.

How? Why?

296 posted on 09/02/2005 3:39:53 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: RGSpincich
You tell me how many Cat 5 hurricanes, not "potentially dangerous storms", have headed straight at NO.

I don't know and that's why I asked the question. If it is once or twice a year I can understand why the inhabitants might become complacent. If it is once every ten years or so then I don't understand their apparent complacency. Here where I live in western Pennsylvania we get flood warnings every time it rains. You can only 'cry wolf' so many times. I'm wondering if this is what happened in this case.

297 posted on 09/02/2005 3:40:21 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: newzjunkey

The global warming card won't get much traction.


298 posted on 09/02/2005 3:41:18 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: layman
I don't know and that's why I asked the question.

I probably misunderstood where you were coming from. Sorry if I sounded harsh. Below is a link to a post that chronologically charts the course of the hurricane. Chart

Some New Orleans residents evacuated when Ivan (Cat 4) looked like it was headed their way. More good info in the article HERE.

299 posted on 09/02/2005 3:56:50 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: An.American.Expatriate; All

This was written before the storm hit......especially read the last two paragraphs:


http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL091404nowheretogo.119ed4228.html


300 posted on 09/02/2005 4:06:40 PM PDT by toldyou
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