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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: Dimensio

Do your own legwork. References are there is you want to find them. Looking might open your mind a little, in fact.


61 posted on 08/18/2005 5:40:30 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: bvw
Do hardline evolution-backers accept Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" in economics?

Do they appreciate Michelangelo's Pieta, or Da Vinci's amazing scribblings of inventions?

Do they drive German cars? Or Japanese cars? Or even 55 Chevys, or mega-hp pickups?

They must understand what design is, and how much work goes in achieving it.

We do, and looking at the redundant kludged together trash that we can already see in DNA, we know that only a halfwit godling could have designed that.

I believe in God.
I believe that if God had designed life, rather than letting it happen at random, he would have done a much better job.

I do not believe in an incompetent God.

So9

62 posted on 08/18/2005 5:41:07 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Those Poor Poor Rubber Cows)
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To: MizSterious
"Most of the scientific community is actually moving toward intelligent design, by that or several other names which mean the same thing."

You are wrong. ID says the laws of physics are insufficient to govern the world. Science has not found that to be the case, even in the very least. The proponents of ID are charlitan preachers, not scientists.

63 posted on 08/18/2005 5:41:40 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: curiosity
Evolution has nothing to do with godlessness.

Darwin himself considered evolution to be opposed to Christianity and the Bible;

"I had gradually come by this time (i.e. 1836 to 1839) to see the Old Testament, from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of Babel, the rain-bow as a sign, &c., &c., and from its attributing to God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any barbarian....

....Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted for a single second that my conclusion was correct. I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true."

64 posted on 08/18/2005 5:41:44 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: pipecorp
"...still waiting for the scientist to duplicate evolution in the lab."

Stop waiting---it's been done.

65 posted on 08/18/2005 5:42:18 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: CasearianDaoist

The ultimate promise of bioscience is perfect health in perpetual youth. Even if it's not overtly acknowledged, that is always whispering just beneath the surface. You don't think "the public" will care about that??


66 posted on 08/18/2005 5:42:30 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: curiosity
And unless George W. Bush imposes intelligent design on American schools by fiat and orders the scientific establishment to recant its support for Darwin, intelligent design will eventually collapse--like other assaults on evolution that failed to offer an alternative--under the weight of its own overreaching.

Oh yeah this is good for conservatism, another smartass with half a loaf making stupid statements to support fallacious claims. ID'rs for the most part do not seek to replace the ToE with ID, most accept evolution small e as fact. For this author to misunderstand this renders him incapable of opining on what is or isn't good for "conservatives".

His implying that opposing the state ordered death of Teri Schiavo and opposing spending school time discussing the different methods of putting a prophylactic on a banana somehow plays into the hands of the lunatic left is itself lunacy.

67 posted on 08/18/2005 5:42:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Dimensio

"ID as it is typically presented has no religious overtones, though you'll usually find that those pushing it are trying to secretly push a religious agenda."

And what kind of agenda are the evos pushing????


68 posted on 08/18/2005 5:42:39 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: MizSterious
"Most of the scientific community is actually moving toward intelligent design, by that or several other names which mean the same thing."

No, actually they are not. The only difference is that the ID'ers are getting more press since they have organized and started making noises like scientists (despite the absolute non-scientific nature of ID).

69 posted on 08/18/2005 5:43:55 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: curiosity

Yeah, just skip Genesis and anything else you don't agree with.


70 posted on 08/18/2005 5:43:55 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: curiosity
It seems the evos are starting to align themselves with the left. First the ACLU and now the New Republic. And yet they say IDs are a threat to the Conservative Movement.

What is next? Posts from Slate with indepth analysis by Micheal Kinsley's successor?

What is wrong with this picture?
71 posted on 08/18/2005 5:44:11 PM PDT by microgood
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To: WildTurkey
Oh really there is a word called wormwood has the same meaning as Chernobyl.
72 posted on 08/18/2005 5:45:06 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: plain talk
"Evo's hide behind micro evolution such as slight changes in a bird's feathers or beaks and then extrapolate that to macro evolution for which there is little to no evidence. They prefer to argue it as a pacxkage deal - you swallow all of it because of evidence of micro evolution."

The terms "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution" are pure inventions of the creationists. No such distinction exists in science. There is ONLY "evolution".

73 posted on 08/18/2005 5:46:02 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: pcx99
There are many arguments that evolution is part of intelligent design

That's not the sense in which the term "intelligent design" is commonly used today, unfortunately. It has come to mean the assertion that life cannot have evolved in through Darwinian processes, and further, that this can be scientifically demonstrated.

Which is really a shame, because it is perfectly reasonable to hold to a philosophical view that the universe was intelligently designed, that all its laws and constants were set "just right" so as to allow for the volution of man. There's nothing in this view offensive to modern science. Now, however, thanks to crackpots like Behe, there is really no good label for this perfectly respectable philosophical view.

74 posted on 08/18/2005 5:46:09 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: mlc9852
A lot of people think it does.

If they think that, they are ignorant of both theology and science.

ID and creationism are worse theology than they are science.

75 posted on 08/18/2005 5:47:10 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: mlc9852
Yeah, just skip Genesis and anything else you don't agree with.

Not at all. Genesis is one of the richest books in the Bible, and no, it does not conflict with evolution.

76 posted on 08/18/2005 5:49:07 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: MizSterious

The problem is the MSM only shows the crackpots. They will NEVER show the reasoned person who says "god did it this way" or "this is how nature works but the hand of god is there somewhere."

They will only show the wacko who says the BAAAAAHBLE said creation was a week ago tuesday and there never were dinosaaaaaauze.

If it was not evolution, the left would use the abnormal fact that conservatives believe in monogamy, they would use as abnormal that conservatives believe in democracy and are against communism. They just need a whipping post for conservatives.


77 posted on 08/18/2005 5:49:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Oh really there is a word called wormwood has the same meaning as Chernobyl.

So where is Noah's nuclear powered ship?

78 posted on 08/18/2005 5:49:36 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: mlc9852
Yippie! Another article (and accompanying FR threads) attacking Bible-believers - a.k.a. Christians.

Give it up . . . the rabid Darwinists - liberal or "conservative" - will always fight any idea that could mean man is not the center of the universe and end-all-be-all of our big-bang/primodial-soup-generated existence.

God forgive us.

79 posted on 08/18/2005 5:50:32 PM PDT by DesertSapper (I Love God, Family, Country! (and dead terrorists))
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To: microgood
The author of this piece is a fellow at the Claremont institute, hardly a leftist bastion.

He's also not alone. Many other conservatives are against this intelligent design nonsense. George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Jonah Goldberg, even the President's sceince advisor.

80 posted on 08/18/2005 5:51:15 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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