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Our Wars Over the War (Hanson)
National Review Online ^ | July 15, 2005 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/15/2005 8:27:00 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah

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1 posted on 07/15/2005 8:27:12 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah

From the best of the web on opinionjournal.com


"Support for Osama bin Laden and suicide bombings have fallen sharply in much of the Muslim world, according to a multicountry poll released on Thursday," Reuters reports. The Pew Research Center survey covered Morocco, Pakistan, Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan and Lebanon, and only in Jordan had sympathy for bin Laden increased since 2003:

In Morocco, 26 percent of the public now say they have a lot or some confidence in bin Laden, down from 49 percent in a similar poll two years ago.

In Lebanon, where both Muslims and Christians took part in the survey, only 2 percent expressed some confidence in the Saudi-born al Qaeda leader, down from 14 percent in 2003.

In Turkey, bin Laden's support has fallen to 7 percent from 15 percent in the past two years. In Indonesia, it has dropped to 35 percent from 58 percent.

Bin Laden had the sympathy of the world after 9/11, and he squandered it. Just pissed it away in the name of foolish foreign adventures! He must be ruing the day he ever went into Iraq.

ROFLMAO!!!!


2 posted on 07/15/2005 8:33:57 AM PDT by Mylo ("Those without a sword should sell their cloak and buy one" Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: Ooh-Ah
Salman Rushdie said it much more distincly.

See my tagline...

3 posted on 07/15/2005 8:41:00 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: Ooh-Ah
So too we are divided over two antithetical views of the evolving West — Europe at odds with America, red and blue states in intellectual and spiritual divergence, the tragic view resisting the creeping therapeutic mindset.

The other War that the WOT has brought to the forefront. And we are winning both!

4 posted on 07/15/2005 8:41:53 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: TomB
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5 posted on 07/15/2005 8:42:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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6 posted on 07/15/2005 8:58:29 AM PDT by SJackson (On the second try, I got that jug off [the bear's head], but then I had a bear tied to a tree)
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To: Ooh-Ah

As always, Dr. Hanson has it exactly right.


7 posted on 07/15/2005 9:21:16 AM PDT by Bombardier ("Religion of Peace" my butt.....sell that snakeoil to someone who'll believe it!)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Bump for later......


8 posted on 07/15/2005 9:26:25 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Ooh-Ah
and thus terrorists only arrived in Iraq after we did.

Every time I see this it seems as though the person who ways it thinks it is a bad thing.

I don't get it.

Let's get them all somewhere besides here where we're allowed to shoot them on sight.

9 posted on 07/15/2005 9:29:41 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Bombardier

VDH--one of the best!!


10 posted on 07/15/2005 9:46:48 AM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: rang1995

BUMP!


11 posted on 07/15/2005 9:48:54 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: TomB
"The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie

An apt description of the left, also. No wonder they are partners in arms.

I am not a Bible thumper but this all, domestically and internationally, boils down to trying to run from God or to find salvation elsewhere. It is a true battle of good and evil.

To use an idea embraced by all but Christians, that Jesus was a prophet, it is a battle between the prophet Mohammad and Jesus. Mohammad taught conquering, hate, and murder, killing all nonbelievers. Jesus taught conversion by example, love, and healing while forgiving one's enemies. The choice seems so stark and obvious yet it is not certain that good will win.

The left fights frantically to eliminate Christians and their gospel. Christianity holds up a mirror to them and is antithetical to their goals. They want freedom to do anything while limiting yours to only those choices that THEY want you to have.

That theirs is a dead end street has been proved over and over yet they persist. Although freedom has been in a life and death struggle before we are again a time of choosing. We must defeat the Democrats first. Then the rest becomes easier.

12 posted on 07/15/2005 9:49:14 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Ooh-Ah; Tolik

bump & a ping


13 posted on 07/15/2005 10:18:44 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Ooh-Ah
As nice a summation of the mythos of the left as I've read. It is precisely a "false narrative" that is clung to with all the fervor of a religion:

Our first hindrance is moral equivalence.

Our second shackle is utopian pacifism.

The third restraint is multiculturalism...

These are, of course, interconnected and mutually supporting even where they ought to conflict. It is one thing, for example, to view utopian pacifism on the same level morally as the Islamist religious fascism that would cheerfully kill it, and quite another to view utopian pacifism as elevated over the culture that resists Islamist fascism. The two positions are simply incompatible.

That people cling so desperately to this false narrative, each successive link of which is readily falsified by a reference to historical fact, argues not that they find it attractive because it is true, but that they hold it to be true because it is attractive; that is, it validates a predisposition to hating Bush or capitalism or nationalism or Western values or all of these together. This is the stuff of fantasy worlds.

14 posted on 07/15/2005 10:53:19 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Bombardier

What a barilliant primer on the real story of the West's war against Islamofacism. Now every conservative, every GOPer should be sending this column to leftist-liberal-MSM outlets and demand it be printed. Email the GOP and demand that they print it and put it out in their own propaganda sheets! It would be wonderful if the President himself spoke out on this by summing up Hanson's views as his own rationale for the War. Flood the airwaves with this so the majority of the public will see once again why we must win this war against these Islamofacist terrorists.


15 posted on 07/15/2005 11:37:35 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Bombardier

What a brilliant primer on the real story of the West's war against Islamofacism. Now every conservative, every GOPer should be sending this column to leftist-liberal-MSM outlets and demand it be printed. Email the GOP and demand that they print it and put it out in their own propaganda sheets! It would be wonderful if the President himself spoke out on this by summing up Hanson's views as his own rationale for the War. Flood the airwaves with this so the majority of the public will see once again why we must win this war against these Islamofacist terrorists.


16 posted on 07/15/2005 11:38:05 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Ooh-Ah

bttt - vdh is the best


17 posted on 07/15/2005 12:10:27 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Ooh-Ah; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

18 posted on 07/19/2005 4:30:50 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!!!

BUMP fro VDH


19 posted on 07/19/2005 4:32:37 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Ooh-Ah

looks interesting, read later


20 posted on 07/19/2005 4:38:05 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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