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1 posted on 07/14/2005 8:27:58 PM PDT by freedrudge
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Here's the money quote:

The revelation of Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak raises a question the White House has never addressed: whether Mr. Rove ever described that conversation, or his conversation with Mr. Cooper, with the president.

This is what the left is aiming for. This whole thing has been orchestrated with this goal in mind, to tie President Bush himself into it.

32 posted on 07/14/2005 8:40:37 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: freedrudge

Do they really think they're going to be able to use this story as a stepping stone to derailing President Bush's second term? This story's taken so many Byzantine twists and turns and double-backs upon itself that even people who follow it closely are getting a headache! Average people who aren't political junkies are just going to throw up their hands in frustration.


34 posted on 07/14/2005 8:41:21 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: freedrudge

lovely misleading headline for an article. It sounds like he was talking about Valerie in a conference call.

Instead, this seems to suggest that Novak told Rove about Plame working in the CIA, and about how Plame got Wilson the gig.

This would explain why Rove would think there was nothing wrong with mentioning it in passing to another reporter later. If you learned something from a reporter, you wouldn't think it was a secret.


35 posted on 07/14/2005 8:41:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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"The person who provided the information about Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak declined to be identified, citing requests by Mr. Fitzgerald that no one discuss the case."

  Anyone else see the humor in that statement?

 

 

 

 

36 posted on 07/14/2005 8:41:54 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results is the definition of insanity.)
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"The conversation between Mr. Novak and Mr. Rove seemed almost certain to intensify the question about whether one of Mr. Bush's closest political advisers play"

This is hilarious! How the NYT tells its readers to think opposite of the information given!

What the article intensifies is who is the "not a partisan gunslinger" and who the reporters who told Rove are! Judith Miller?


38 posted on 07/14/2005 8:42:32 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: freedrudge
All of that liberal Democrat, Crazy Joe sourced, "Rove leaked it to Novak" BS has now been throughly discredited. How can you leak something that is ALREADY KNOWN?

Since the Democrats rely on hysterical rhetoric, why EVER take them seriously?

39 posted on 07/14/2005 8:44:10 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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Is this what your source led you to expect?


41 posted on 07/14/2005 8:45:01 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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that identified a C.I.A. officer who was undercover,

I see the NY Slimes likes to get the lies out there as soon as possible...in the first paragraph.

49 posted on 07/14/2005 8:47:45 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Right now I can't decide which political party is trying to commit suicide faster.)
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To: freedrudge
someone who has been officially briefed

Gee, that's really informative! Note that they don't even say that this is a government official. It could be Judith Miller.

And if "someone" is vague, just consider the vagueness of "officially briefed." What the hell does that mean? Briefed by an official? Briefed while wearing his decoder ring? Briefed in an office? Called in and told to write this story by Pinch Sulzberger?

53 posted on 07/14/2005 8:48:36 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Citizen Plame. A sordid tale of a newspaper's attempt to create a mega-citizen out of whole cloth. Nothing is as it seems. And they will stop at nothing to protect...well..nothing.. Until they are spent. And alone with no anonymous sources. Or credible reporters. Or subscribers. The only sound that will be heard is a low, wimpering voice, calling quietly into the darkness: Rovebud....Rovebud...
55 posted on 07/14/2005 8:49:21 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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I must be reading the article wrong, since it seems to indicate that Rove first learned of Plame's name from Novak. Wouldn't this, then, exonerate Rove of any wrongdoing?


56 posted on 07/14/2005 8:50:01 PM PDT by ClaudiusI
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What story I don't see NO STORY WHATEVER NY LIARS Whatever LOL!!!


57 posted on 07/14/2005 8:50:34 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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ATTENTION WORLD!!!
I AM OFFICIALLY OUTING JETHRO BODINE!!!

SUPER SECRET DOUBLE OUGHT SPY!!!

63 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:01 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Tina Delgado is alive! ALIVE!)
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To: freedrudge

So, exactly why does this amount to "news fit to print." Novak testified to the grand jury long ago, and Rove's lawyer says he has been notified by the prosecutor that Rove is not a target of the investigation. And Novak called Rove, not the other way around. What does this add to where we were yesterday morning? Redundancy. Nothing more. How the NYT gets away with masquarading this as news mystifies me; and gets a whirling siren and giant RED headlines from Matt Drudge to pump it, to boot!


79 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:31 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: freedrudge
hey Slimes...

89 posted on 07/14/2005 9:00:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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The hatred drips off every page of the NYT, and off the lips of "reporters" like David Gregory (who's subbing on Hardballs right now).

Hmm...the MSM is jumping all over the President for not immediately firing his friend and most trusted advisor, yet how long did these same idiots stand by Dan Rather who USED FORGED DOCUMENTS IN AN ATTEMPT TO DESTROY A PRESIDENT.


97 posted on 07/14/2005 9:01:33 PM PDT by soloNYer (McCain's Moderates= people who don't even know who their OWN senators are.)
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98 posted on 07/14/2005 9:01:44 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: freedrudge

Article comes complete with Rat talking points:

Point 1

The conversation between Mr. Novak and Mr. Rove seemed almost certain to intensify the question about whether one of Mr. Bush's closest political advisers played a role in what appeared to be an effort to undermine Mr. Wilson's credibility


Point 2

the White House press secretary, has refused in recent days to discuss any specifics of the case.

Point 3

The revelation of Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak raises a question the White House has never addressed: whether Mr. Rove ever described that conversation, or his conversation with Mr. Cooper, with the president.

Point 4

In June 2004, at Sea Island, Ga., soon after Vice President Dick Cheney met with investigators in the case, Mr. Bush was asked at a news conference whether "you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found" to have leaked the agent's name.

"Yes," Mr. Bush said. "And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts."

Point 5

White House officials may argue that Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak did not amount to leaking the name of the agent. But to critics of Mr. Bush - including the Democrats who have called for Mr. Rove's resignation - that is splitting hairs, and Mr. Rove in effect confirmed her identity, even if he did not name her.

Point 6

it seems certain to add substantially to the political maelstrom that has engulfed the White House this week after the disclosure that Mr. Rove had discussed the matter with Mr. Cooper of Time magazine.

Point 7

Democrats have been pressing the president either to live up to his pledges to rid his administration of anyone found to have leaked the name of a covert operative, or to explain why he does not believe Mr. Rove's actions subject him to dismissal.

Point 8

The new revelation also leaves Mr. McClellan, the White House spokesman, in an increasingly awkward situation. Two years ago repeatedly assured reporters that neither Mr. Rove nor several other administration officials were responsible for the leak.

Point 9

The case has also threatened to become a distraction to the White House and Republicans as Mr. Bush struggles to keep his second-term agenda on track and as he prepares for one of the most pivotal battles of his presidency, over the nomination of a Supreme Court justice.

Point 10

Most recently, Mr. Rove has been at the center of the White House's deliberations over the choice of a nominee to succeed Justice Sandra Day O'Connor at the Supreme Court.


100 posted on 07/14/2005 9:02:12 PM PDT by Raycpa
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This article in the Times is hilarious.  They start with the supposition that the article proves that Karl Rove is guilty, yet throughout the article they essentially prove that Karl not only did nothing illegal, but not even anything unethical.

 

 

101 posted on 07/14/2005 9:02:22 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results is the definition of insanity.)
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108 posted on 07/14/2005 9:03:48 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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