Discovery Institute Files Public Records Request in OSU Evolution Academic Freedom Case

Discovery Institute ^ | 11 July 2005 | Staff

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed, I haven't been following that litigation which sounds like yet another "class action". If that were the case, the original petitioners nevertheless would have to show an actual personal injury.

[Stultis]

who are the first to 'not be nice,' and more likely to use Ad Hominem attacks ...says the poster, in introducing a message which is then exclusively ad hominem in it's content!

[Junior]

Don't count on it. To a certain mindset, anything that smacks of being "other than Christian (OTC)" is automatically an ad hominem attack against Christianity -- even if that religion is never mentioned (even in the breach).

It's the same mindset that liberals have who find offense at everything.

[narby]

And what would you call a Professor who doesn't contact the dissertation committee or the academic advisor about his concerns of "academic integrity" but rather comes to conclusions about a dissertation without reading that dissertation and then starts a smear campaign in the media and on the internet?

You've completly ignored the fact that the dissertation is not public until it has been defended in committee. They can't read it.

You've also ignored the requirement that a tenured prof is required to notify the university if they suspect corruption in the degree granting process. They would have been remiss not to have reported their observations.

You've also ignored the evidence the Lenards own committee was the entity that halted the defense of the dissertation, after their stacked committee was changed.

The creationists have been caught red handed gaming the system to promote their agenda, and you're mad at those who caught them.

If ID/Creationism were real science, these people wouldn't need to resort to such corruption. The science would stand on it's own.

[narby]

And what would you call a Professor who doesn't contact the dissertation committee or the academic advisor about his concerns of "academic integrity" but rather comes to conclusions about a dissertation without reading that dissertation and then starts a smear campaign in the media and on the internet?

You've completly ignored the fact that the dissertation is not public until it has been defended in committee. They can't read it.

You've also ignored the requirement that a tenured prof is required to notify the university if they suspect corruption in the degree granting process. They would have been remiss not to have reported their observations.

You've also ignored the evidence the Lenards own committee was the entity that halted the defense of the dissertation, after their stacked committee was changed.

The creationists have been caught red handed gaming the system to promote their agenda, and you're mad at those who caught them.

If ID/Creationism were real science, these people wouldn't need to resort to such corruption. The science would stand on it's own.

[Gumlegs]

ONLY Christian education can address the problems facing our declining society and civilization. Secular humanist education is a dishonest and fraudulent scam invented by anti-Christian cabals for the purposes of amoral social engineering.

People need to stop patronizing the centers of anti-Christian mind control as if there were anything normal, healthy, or benign about them.

Use all you want. They'll make more.

[Gumlegs]

I haven't been following that litigation which sounds like yet another "class action".

It is.

[narby]

Secular humanist education is a dishonest and fraudulent scam invented by anti-Christian cabals for the purposes of amoral social engineering.

I'm reminded of Rush Limbaugh's policy of what to do when someone's making a fool of themselves.

Please continue.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Lame. The dorks promoting the anti-Christian bigotry are pretty pathetic. Never understand their surfing or traveling habits.

[js1138]

If that were the case, the original petitioners nevertheless would have to show an actual personal injury.

Explain to me who has been injured in this case, and how.

[Gumlegs]

Here's a quote from your post 79: ONLY Christian education can address the problems facing our declining society and civilization. Secular humanist education is a dishonest and fraudulent scam invented by anti-Christian cabals for the purposes of amoral social engineering.

People need to stop patronizing the centers of anti-Christian mind control as if there were anything normal, healthy, or benign about them.

So would you force, say, Jewish students to have a Christian education? Is all education that's not Christian education bad? Should we abandon the fruits of research conducted by non-Christian scientists? (I hope you don't need a polio cure).

In your post 89, you added this: The dorks promoting the anti-Christian bigotry are pretty pathetic.

What's the "anti-Christian bigotry" you're talking about?

[furball4paws]

"As far as I know, there can be no legal cause of action without an actual personal injury."

What about all the kids in Kansas that will be lied to? Isn't that injury?

[PatrickHenry]

To a certain mindset, anything that smacks of being "other than Christian (OTC)" is automatically an ad hominem attack against Christianity -- even if that religion is never mentioned (even in the breach).

Curiously, although the theory of evolution is totally neutral about religion -- as is every other scientific theory -- it is always accused of being a secret conspiracy to undermine the cult of creationism. On the other hand, the neo-creationists at the Discovery Institute, by never mentioning the blindingly obvious identity of the Intelligent Designer, expect that somehow their transparently fraudulent scheme will fly under the radar and be accepted as a purely scientific endeavor.

[furball4paws]

I had trouble Sunday PM and some today (CO).

[furball4paws]

John Donne

[furball4paws]

Things go in, they don't come out.

[redgolum]

I try to stay out of crevo threads, as they always become personal attacks and rarely have any semblance of science.

I am however still waiting to see that Maxwell's Three Laws have been repealed, which needs to happen to have evo work...

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Most of the whiny liberal academics are "dorks" (technically in the scientific sense of the term). The link may have been mentioned on another thread.

Here it is again:

Here

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Yeah. A very strange area.

Among the wackier anti-Christian atheist lunatics who get very emotional about the whole monkey bones business you can detect very unstable sexual neurosis. Like the Victorian rakes who started the whole game. Bizarre.

Bigfoot Research is a far more amusing recreational sport.

[Right Wing Professor]

I am however still waiting to see that Maxwell's Three Laws have been repealed, which needs to happen to have evo work...

BWAHAHAHA!

Since there were four Maxwell equations last time I checked, it appears one has already been repealed.

There is, however, one more clueless creationist to replace it.