June 26, 1945: U.N. CHARTER SIGNED

HistoryChannel.com ^ | 6/26/2005 | staff

[NonValueAdded]

"This day will live in infamy ..."

[Casekirchen]

'June 26, 1945, a date that will live in infamy'

[RightWhale]

The war wasn't even over, Mao had not yet overrun China, and Israel was still a possibility someday.

[kellynla]

and just imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved if someone had put a bullet in Stalin's head...

[RightWhale]

Yeah, they got kind of vengeful after the war, which some of their French and probably other fellow travellers either did not believe or did not speak against or just plain ignored and still ignore. It's tough to know how things are going to turn out when they are happening, but most of the time it will turn out like it looks.

[Mr. Mojo]

[WestVirginiaRebel]

The Toothless Tiger turns fifty. Yippee.

[WestVirginiaRebel]

The Toothless Tiger turns sixty. Yippee.

[jveritas]

BOOOOOOOOOOO

[FoxPro]

My great aunt signed this thing:

http://beatl.barnard.columbia.edu/learn/documents/gildersleeve.htm

[SandRat]

A Black Day Indeed.

[Max Flatow]

To top it off the movie Black Hawk Down is on right now on FX. What a corrupt and inept body the UN has been? Sheez.

[inquest]

And of course they don't mention who the first general secretary of the San Francisco conference was: Soviet spy Alger Hiss.

[inquest]

What a corrupt and inept body the UN has been?

Actually, they've proven themselves quite "ept" at getting our soldiers killed and making even more of a mess out of Somalia.

[kellynla]

We're watching "Knute Rockne, All-American" on ESPN Classic
with Ronald Reagan & Pat O'Brien(what else would an Irishman be watching tonight! LOL)

[Max Flatow]

BTW. What has been happening with Somalia of late? That whole eastern side of the African continent seems to have fallen off my radar screen.

[inquest]

I don't know exactly where it's at now, but I know that after we left things continued to go downhill for a while. Then the most wonderful thing happened. The UN decided that Somalia was a hopelessly "failed state" and packed up and left. In short order, things started to drastically improve. Businessmen began organizing joint patrols to protect against looters and other miscreants, which began to look like the rudiments of a government that was powerful enough to prevent crime, but not powerful enough to push citizens around. The Atlantic Monthly (of all publications!) had an article about this, entitled "Ayn Rand Comes to Somalia", in its May 2001 issue.

Unfortunately, al-Qaeda still managed to hang around the place, and after 9/11 we were constrained to take certain actions which (if I recall correctly) impeded Somalia's commerce with the outside world. I don't know what course things have taken since then.

[Max Flatow]

Thanks for the 411. My curiosity got to me after my last post, so I did a search to see what has been up with that country since 1993. Seems that the place is still in total anarchy. Warloards still run the country with no central government, no currency, no infrastructure to speak of. Parts of the country have broken off into separatists nation-like countries, such as Somililand. Abdullahi Yusuf was elected president of Puntland who is considered to be the only recognizable person of a central government though his election is suspicious at best. The northern part of the country has seen a growth in economic activity due to no laws, no taxes and the opportunity of a capitalist environment. Telecommunications seem to be the largest economic activity in Somalia. But the warloads instill a sense of unstability and unpredictablity in any activity in the country that can change from day to day.

So it seems that until one central government can rule without civil war, the country wil always be a hot bed of poverty and infighting.

[inquest]

Well now you got my curiosity going. The CIA paints a somewhat less gloomy picture (quoting in part):

Economic life continues, in part because much activity is local and relatively easily protected. Agriculture is the most important sector, with livestock normally accounting for about 40% of GDP and about 65% of export earnings, but Saudi Arabia's recent ban on Somali livestock, because of Rift Valley Fever concerns, has severely hampered the sector. Nomads and semi-nomads, who are dependent upon livestock for their livelihood, make up a large portion of the population. Livestock, hides, fish, charcoal, and bananas are Somalia's principal exports, while sugar, sorghum, corn, qat, and machined goods are the principal imports. Somalia's small industrial sector, based on the processing of agricultural products, has largely been looted and sold as scrap metal. Despite the seeming anarchy, Somalia's service sector has managed to survive and grow. Telecommunication firms provide wireless services in most major cities and offer the lowest international call rates on the continent. In the absence of a formal banking sector, money exchange services have sprouted throughout the country, handling between $500 million and $1 billion in remittances annually. Mogadishu's main market offers a variety of goods from food to the newest electronic gadgets. Hotels continue to operate, and militias provide security. The ongoing civil disturbances and clan rivalries, however, have interfered with any broad-based economic development and international aid arrangements. In 2004 Somalia's overdue financial obligations to the IMF continued to grow. Statistics on Somalia's GDP, growth, per capita income, and inflation should be viewed skeptically.