Posted on 06/18/2005 12:09:31 PM PDT by Loyalist
And if so, does that mean that any such group is fully entitled to welfare and legal protection from discrimination?
Yeah and WHY has it evaded most Jews that socialism IS slavery by government.?.
Because they generally don't have any common SENSE.?.
Most american jews are as liberal as a lemming stampeding over a cliff..
as left wing as a Moonbat flying in circles in the bat cave..
"AS"... (like that)..
Well, I suppose sperm and egg cell banks in the USA are helping increase the IQ here. In the USA you are allowed to pick a sperm or egg doner (if, for instance, someone in a marriage is infertile or unhealthy). In Europe that is not allowed -- they would call that "eugenics".
Aside from that IQ and educational attainment are inversely related to birth rates. A woman with a PhD has significantly fewer children than a welfare mom.
On a more positive note, however, two groups with high average IQ levels (orthodox Jews and Mormons) still have large families. Guess that means they will make up a higher percentage of the educated class in the future.
Might the Ashkenazi already have been predisposed? Doesn't the bible contain a number of examples of Hebrews and later Jews such as Joseph in Egypt and Daniel in Babylon who from a secular standpoint must have been extraordinarily talented?
It is commonly understood that certain truths are invalid on observation for the sake of peace.
"If a complex trait such as intelligence can be inherited, for instance, and you say one ethnic or racial group tends to have more of it than others, does it follow that another group has less?"
Ummm, yes.
It follows as a matter of logic that if ONE group has MORE of it than others, than all others have LESS than that one group anyway.
I am suspicious of IQ tests, however. Had to formally take professionally administered ones twice, once as a kid, once as an adult.
I came out with a 90 both times.
To me, this disproves the validity of IQ tests as measures of any reasonable definition of intelligence. The consistency over 15 years of time largely eliminates the "fluke" explanation. One score of 90 would be a fluke. Two, several years apart, professionally administered, with the same result demonstrates that whatever they are measuring, it was below the norm. But whatever that "IQ" they were measuring was, it certainly wasn't intelligence.
If Jews or Chinese have measurably more IQ, in test after test, this might prove something (that they are better, as groups, at doing whatever is tested on those tests) but it does not prove greater intelligence.
I honestly don't get it.
According to Dr. Bernstein, 0.1 per cent is actually far from an insignificant difference in the genome's chemical sequence. In fact, he said, the genetic distance between humans and gorillas is not much greater.
I remember hearing the hoopla over the 99.9% similarity between the genes of all humans. Its interesting to see that statistic get put into perspective.
Would a similar study find that Sicilians have a "Mafia" gene?
In my uneducated opinion, I think they'll find that the intellectual capacity in the vast majority of people (ie. those with no damage) is pretty much the same. The main difference will be in the attitude and application.
Interesting that Taiwan, Hong Kong and China have basically the same people but different IQs.
I'm flattered you broke with custom for me, even to the point of suggesting that you know better than I do, what I was trying to convey.
but it is tiring
I can see that. Why not take a little nap, eh? Policing what's relevant on a thread is exhausting---and thankless---work for the (self-admitted) inexperienced.
I will from now on be known as beavustein. Looks better on my academic resumes.
Judaism is a religion.
But "Jewish" is an ethnicity.
The peculiar thing about Judaism is that it is so much OLDER than the surrounding religions, Christianity and Islam, that it has had over a thousand years longer to shape the people who held that religion into an ethnicity.
That is part of the answer.
Now, you can see behavioral traits that almost qualify as "ethnic" among Muslims (look at the whole Muslim world), but also Catholics and the Orthodox. A long, long time with one idea, and people marrying other people with that one idea, certainly has had an effect.
But with Judaism it is much, much more pronounced, because while Catholicism and Orthodoxy and Islam are all universalist in their call, with any convert eligible for marriage, and conversion the whole thrust of the religion at many phases, Judaism is not a proselytizing faith, but has always been quite strict in its insistence about marrying within the Tribe.
Of course every Jew has not respected this, which helps to explain why the Ashkenaz all look like Europeans and the Sephardim look like Arabs. But very large numbers have. Indeed, those who didn't ceased to identify themselves as Jews long ago, and there are no doubt plenty of Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims walking around out there with Jewish ancestors.
Another factor that caused the religious creed of the Jews to become a genetically isolated subset, interbreeding with itself to the point of constituting a distinct ethnicity, as opposed to simply a religious belief, were all of the harsh laws that segregated Jews for a thousand years or so in the West, where large numbers of them lived.
The religion is very ancient, it emphasizes marriage within the Tribe, it does not proselytize, and it was further forced into segregation by Christian civilization. All of these things combined to make Jews not just a separate ethnicity, on account of their religion, but actually a distinctive gene pool.
For all of those reasons, it is proper to refer to Jews as as race. There is no comparable other major religion.
Behavioral Psychologists have been struggling with the human condition for over 100 years and the last thing they will suggest is that the Genome holds the answer
I've missed a lot of Buchanan's views in the past two decades, and have long since forgotten what made me write him off.
One of several books I've read on the subject of Scottish achievements is Duncan Bruce's "Mark of The Scots."
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