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Terri Schiavo Autopsy: Manner of Death 'Undetermined'
CNSNews.com ^ | June 15, 2005 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 06/15/2005 12:27:19 PM PDT by veronica

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To: flaglady47
Twit says, the party's over. Your point of view did not prevail. You lost. Get over it.

You seem to be glad Terri Schiavo was murdered. Good for you.

Anyone who cares that much about human life is much worse than a "twit." What you are I cannot say in open threads without being banned.

641 posted on 06/16/2005 6:02:26 AM PDT by Houmatt (Jeb Bush is a moron. Tracking devices on sex offenders? Give me a break!)
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To: Gondring
"I hope you wouldn't call my spouse mean for making that same call as Mr. Schiavo. It's what I would want her to do."

She has no right to do that! YOU have no right to do that!

You must be kept alive at all costs -- even if it drives your spouse into bankruptcy. Your spouse must suffer the financial and emotional burden of caring for your hopelessly brain damaged body, despite your wishes to the contrary.

Besides, we all know that she's after your money and we must look to your best interests to make sure that only the hospital and the lawyers get that money (by filing lawsuits insisting on repetitive and costly MRI and PET scans, separate reviews by 15 doctors, useless therapy, and the like).

And here you thought you had a right to privacy.

642 posted on 06/16/2005 6:05:27 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: onyx

I think we can all agree with that. And I certainly appreciate that this thread did not get out of hand, and that adults debated an important issue calmly and rationally.


643 posted on 06/16/2005 6:12:05 AM PDT by veronica (Mimes and clowns are weird...)
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To: Bones75

I couldn't have said it better!


644 posted on 06/16/2005 6:12:30 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Bluchers Elephant

Animal people consider injections much more humane than letting the animal wilt away over time. And for some centuries, indeed, shooting a horse was more humane than just letting him gradually die.

Yes, by God, I would prefer it that way, if I HAD to choose how to execute an innocent person.

But the real choice was between letting her die (by neglecting her, no less) and letting her be cared for by her family.

In which the latter is ALWAYS my choice.


645 posted on 06/16/2005 6:12:34 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Smartaleck

You're implying their real desire was to kill her off themselves? How absurd a comparison (fictional as it is) is that? Ridiculous.


646 posted on 06/16/2005 6:13:57 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: bukkdems

Don't be ridiculous. That isn't even the point; their desire to care for her rather than kill her off is. But if "their manner of care" were - what makes you think they'd always be insisting on stuffing things down her throat thru her mouth?


647 posted on 06/16/2005 6:16:29 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Gondring
Let me ask you something: Do you think a guy who supposedly loves his wife would wait until after a malpractice settlement to announce his wife did not wish to be kept alive through any type of artifcial means, even though he had absolutely nothing to back up his claim?

Do you think a man who supposedly loves his wife would ask nurses, "When is that bitch going to die?" and engage in unusual behavior (e.g., forbid his wife to have even the most basic care)?

This case had red flags all over it from the word go. At the very least, Michael should have had his guardianship permanently withdrawn and Terri's care placed in that of someone impartial. The fact you and others here chose to ignore that speaks volumes about how you measure humanity and compassion.

648 posted on 06/16/2005 6:16:38 AM PDT by Houmatt (Jeb Bush is a moron. Tracking devices on sex offenders? Give me a break!)
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To: blueblazes

What if Terri had put her wish "not to live that way" on paper instead of orally? Still morally wrong?


649 posted on 06/16/2005 6:18:53 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: self_evident

True judgement has been used for ages, esp. understood in the long-past days of the Republic. Concern about the SPIRIT even above the LETTER of the law should be paramount. Otherwise, you'll start behaving like Clinton. "I didn't lie when I said I never inhaled." The ass knew the concern is using drugs at all, never mind exactly what he did w/them!


650 posted on 06/16/2005 6:19:53 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: ClancyJ
"Seems I would get to say when man can kill me you would think."

Ah! I see. YOU get to say when man can kill you, but not Terri.

Why is that?

651 posted on 06/16/2005 6:20:53 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: PeskyOne

I agree; I think the ME must've done a good job. I don't see off hand anything wrong w/what he's done. If anything, it puts both parties into question depending on which aspect you're discussing.


652 posted on 06/16/2005 6:20:58 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: malakhi
Perhaps "extreme wishful thinking" is kinder than "lying". The 'testimony' of Fr. Pavone, in particular, is absurd.

That's a pretty sweeping statement on your part. Care to back that up?

Untrue. She had intense therapy, and repeated testing. Her condition was determined to be unrecoverable.

When? By whom? Was it before or after the malpractice settlement?

653 posted on 06/16/2005 6:21:49 AM PDT by Houmatt (Jeb Bush is a moron. Tracking devices on sex offenders? Give me a break!)
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To: flaglady47

The one group of people during this whole case that were consistently dishonest and consistently told us things that we now know were not, and could not have been, the truth, were the Schindlers and their mini-armi of lawyers and Randal Terrys.


654 posted on 06/16/2005 6:22:27 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: bonfire

"Hopefully, the rest of us can agree to disagree without resorting to threatening hate filled posts."

That tends to be the last resort of somebone who has lost the argument.


655 posted on 06/16/2005 6:25:11 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: Bones75

That is an outrageous thing to say. Why do you think they would do something like that? Because they felt their daughter was still alive and they wanted to take care of her? What in the hell is so wrong with that? Do you have even the slightest idea what the hell you are talking about?


656 posted on 06/16/2005 6:25:46 AM PDT by Houmatt (Jeb Bush is a moron. Tracking devices on sex offenders? Give me a break!)
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To: malakhi
There's nothing to buy or sell, the autopsy is inconclusive. Autopsies can not distinguish states of consciousness and the medical examiner could find no reason for a healthy heart to stop beating in the medical records, the pathology or the testimony of those closest to her.

Nothings changed. There are those of us who oppose the state ordered killing of American citizens who have committed no crime and then there are those that support it.

657 posted on 06/16/2005 6:26:27 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: blueblazes

Amen.

I stated this much earlier, but it seems to me the judge way back lacked judgement and let MS continue his path w/no solid evidence himself about even any "wish to die". So not only was this all morally wrong, but it was legally questionable from way back.


658 posted on 06/16/2005 6:28:23 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: malakhi
"One could just as easily make the case that this is what you're position would entail -- the state stepping in and interfering with private family decisions."

Oooooh. That's going to leave a mark.

Hey, ClancyJ, better put some ice on that.

659 posted on 06/16/2005 6:31:09 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: veronica

Oh good grief. The 'manner of death' was purposeful starvation and dehydration.


660 posted on 06/16/2005 6:33:40 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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