Posted on 06/15/2005 12:27:19 PM PDT by veronica
I didn't see you referring to anything. You posted an article and that's what I was making a comment on.
Note my reply goes to post #1, not to any other commentary you or others might have made that I haven't even read yet.
He did find that she died from dehydration (but not starvation).
Why do you say he didn't?
What he could not deduce conclusively was what caused her collapse years ago.
I heard that Mark Furman is doing a book on this case.
He may be able to answer some of the questions most of us have about the circumstances surrounding the collapse and eventual death of this young woman.
I hope he sticks to the projects and comes out with a lucid discussion of the issues and events that have caused this confusion about what the facts actually are.
If he publishes it, I'll buy it.
There is a common thread here "Schiavo-ites"...notice that most, actually almost all are new to FR with in the last 5 months, about the time this all came to a head.
Tell ya' what...lets get back to demonizing democrats and Dickweed Dean.
From a thread I was on, I think he said cause of death could not be determined during the news conference. I didn't get to watch it. Is that true Antceecee?
"Look. For the last time. IT DOESN"T MATTER what the ME says."
Thanks. This speaks volumes.
Re-read my post you're replying to. I am accurately reporting that he found she died from dehydration, not starvation. He could not, however, determine what caused her to collapse years ago.
"I have personally witnessed the deaths of several people in the last few years. There was nothing peaceful about it. It's strange to sugar coat it, but what do you expect from Felos the deathman, the ghoul."
What would you prefer he say?
It took me a while, but I have now waded through the whole of the report. The Pinellas County ME left no possible stone unturned, and was assisted in his efforts my various MDs and labs. So there, in my mind at least, is no way there is a 'fix' in this at all. The ME did what the state paid him to do, examine the body of Terri Schiavo dispassionately and objectively, and present his findings. He has done so.
The problem is despite his and others best efforts, no cause for her initial collapse where discovered. The low potassium results where possibly/probably explained on pages 29 and 30 of the report (low due to treatment of the cardiac arrest suffered that night). No sign of trauma or adverse medication were found either, so we have a big fat question mark. It will hang in the air in perpetuity, interpreted in any manner the beholder wants. Insert vile four letter expletive here.
Dr Nelson, the MD who examined the brain of Terri, stated in his conclusion that he could not make a definitive diagnoses of PVS, as that is not possible on a deceased patient. But she had lost an alarming amount of brain matter, far more than could be accounted for by dehydration alone. Some areas of the brain had ceased to exist almost entirely, with scant traces of neurons found. The chances of her not being in a PVS... pretty slim, though not entirely ruled out.
The conclusion: None. We didn't know then, we don't know now. Something caused her to collapse that night, but lack of evidence leaves all manner of speculation open. Was she in a PVS? Probably. I'll even go so far to say likely, but we will never truly know. So the debate over her death will rage on, without any conclusion possible.
Insert another vile four letter expletive here.
"He did find that she died from dehydration (but not starvation).
Why do you say he didn't?"
You cheated and read the actual report! LOL
Pesky facts, doncha know.
;)
WOnder how many times you will have to repeat that fact........... :)
Of course the answer is he did address this charge. From the article this thread is based on:
In response to the allegations that Terri's collapse was the result of a physical assault, Thogmartin noted that she received nearly 30 X-rays, CAT scans and ultrasound examinations during the medical examination that followed her collapse.
"Any fractures - including rib fractures, leg fractures, ankle fractures, skull fractures, spine fractures - that occurred concurrent with her initial collapse would almost certainly have been diagnosed in 1990, especially with the number of physical exams, radiographs and other evaluations she received during her initial hospitalization," Thogmartin said. "No fractures or trauma were reported or recorded."
~snip~
Trying to find the link to the report, but I was under the impression from my reading that cause of death was left "undetermined".
Does someone have a link?
I think the dehydration was noted/observed in the report, but do not recall it being listed as manner of death or cause of death.
I know. I was just wondering if the news conference was the source of confusion on the cause of death issue.
"She died of dehydration," Dr. Jon Thogmartin, the Florida medical examiner for Pinellas and Pasco counties said, noting that the official cause of death would be listed as "complications of anoxic encephalopathy."
"That's the only diagnosis that I know for sure, is that her brain went without oxygen," he added. "Why? That is undetermined."
Could be, but nobody has said he wanted to "almost" kill her so she'd be PVS for 15 years, and THEN kill her, which is what you suggested.
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