"Cures all your tax woes!" Buy it even if it doesn't work. LOL! You finally admitted it.
Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right
The path that the founders of this country put in place, that worked well until the socialist takeover during WW I. They taxed imported manufactured goods. It would work even better today.
The states don't collect income/withholding taxes on individuals in the respective states. If I work for IBM in New York, New York doesn't collect the money from IBM and then pass it on to the IRS. But under the NRST, New York would collect the NRST from all the retailers in NY prior to passing it on to the newly-renamed "IRS".
"Cures all your tax woes!" Buy it even if it doesn't work. LOL! You finally admitted it.
The path that the founders of this country put in place, that worked well until the socialist takeover during WW I. They taxed imported manufactured goods. It would work even better today.
If you want fact, it was the exploitation the dissatisfaction of the average American citizen with high tariffs on consumer goods at the end of the 19th century that lead directly to the ratification of the 16th amendment and the modern income tax:
I refer you to:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj1n1/cj1n1-10.pdf
THE RATIFICATION OF THE FEDERAL
INCOME TAX AMENDMENT
John Bruenker; Professor of History at the University of wisconsin— ParksideCatoJournal, Vol. 1, No. 1 (Spring 1981), Copyright ©Cato Institute.
Prepared for the Cato Institute’s symposium “Taxation and Society,”
held at the University of Chicago in April 1980.
But you are welcome to go on believing in fantasy, and repeat history if you choose to.
Read up on the history of the Articles of Confederation.
And if they saw what would be coming, they never would have gone for it. It was exactly the same 'foot in the door' technique that is the subject of this thread.
People love false panaceas, especially "something for nothing," and it takes little to stir up ignorant, blind distrust.
The fantasy is your own.
Uh huh and when Walmart doesn't drop their prices all those other companies will just ignore that opportunity to trumpet how they can beat Wal-Mart on price (and still maintain their profit margin.) Heheheh you are frickin hilarious.
Sorry but that ain't the way American businesses work.
One thing about the sales tax is used goods are exempt, so you'd be more likely to buy off ebay for some things.
But under the NRST, New York would collect the NRST from all the retailers in NY prior to passing it on to the newly-renamed "IRS".
Do you always just spout oortentious non-sense about things you don't take the time to study?
Your 'newly-named "IRS"' state tax administrators pass NRST collections on to is called the U.S. Treasury.
The State's tax administrators perform the roll of tax administration in NRST collections from businesses under HR25.
H.R.25Fair Tax Act of 2005 (Introduced in House) `SEC. 401 AUTHORITY FOR STATES TO COLLECT TAX.`(a) In General- The tax imposed by section 101 on gross payments for the use or consumption of taxable property or services within a State shall be administered, collected, and remitted to the United States Treasury by such State if the State is an administering State. `(b) Administering State- For purposes of this section, the term `administering State' means any State--
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After seeing your posts here for the last five years, I'm rather surprised to see you make such insupportable claims.
Just the opposite is true in both cases.
Our economy is shackled by the current monster we call the income tax code, and can only thrive when relieved of those chains.
And it is shocking that you can't see what an increase in personal freedom and privacy would result from this necessary change.
And if they saw what would be coming, they never would have gone for it. It was exactly the same 'foot in the door' technique that is the subject of this thread.
They were told what was coming, the chose to ignore it, because 40% tariff rates on consumer goods were considered attrocious, while goods from domestic manufacturers were untaxed at the same prices as imports leaving the distinct impression that the wealthy corporations were ripping tremendous profit. Guess what, we now have is the income tax as a result.
And you want to do it again. LOL.
Consumption-based taxes, in fact. Served the country well for over a century...a time of unparalled economic growth for any nation in history.
The Founders were dead-set against direct taxes, for good reasons. They knew their history, and they would have never stood for the kind of loss of liberty any income tax entails.
Oh, really??? Who collects/forwards the withholding taxes for the state employees??? Or perhaps you are claiming the state doesn't need to pay its employees enough to have w/h taxes?
No need ... not applicable.
Denying history doesn't make it go away or make people change their behavior.
Are you claiming that the state collects the income taxes paid on all the people who work in the state for private companies? Don't be absurd! The number of state employees in a state is so miniscule that that amount doesn't matter -- but to have to remit all the taxes collected in a state -- that's something altogether different.
When I write my quarterly tax check, I make it out to the "United States Treasury". Does that also mean that the IRS doesn't exist?
True to a point. The shackles come from the 'progressive' nature of the tax; it punishes productivity.
"And it is shocking that you can't see what an increase in personal freedom and privacy would result from this necessary change."
You've made an assumption that is not in evidence. If the tax includes services, it's effects will be grievous on independant providers of many services. I'm talking about doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants, building contractors, music teachers, tutors, and likely pastors of churches. You have failed to apply what you already know about the nature of government, to the implementation of the tax.
Privacy will be non-existant for everyone, because government will be allowed to presume that all are possible providers of services. Your bank accounts will be scrutinized as never before. This is already going on in other countries, so you don't need to rely on guess work. The U.S. govt. will work on the same model as all the VAT tax countries are following.
You still beating the 'Articles of Confederation' horse? That's one of the weakest tactics I've seen the SQLs use yet.
To believe it, you'd have to believe that the federal government is too weak to carry out its wishes, as was the American government under the Articles.
Absurd.
Productivity is the result of capital formation; aka as savings and investment. The income tax in all its various manifestations punishes capital formation.
If the tax includes services, it's effects will be grievous on independant providers of many services. I'm talking about doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants, building contractors, music teachers, tutors, and likely pastors of churches.
Nothing grievous about it. Simply remit a percentage of your gross to the state. Sales taxes are the least burdensome form of taxation there is. A ten-year old could figure it out. The 'pastors of churches' comment is blatant fear-mongering. Want to talk about the negative effects of the income tax code on our churches and their freedom of action?
Privacy will be non-existant for everyone, because government will be allowed to presume that all are possible providers of services. Your bank accounts will be scrutinized as never before. This is already going on in other countries, so you don't need to rely on guess work.
Pure paranoia. And privacy is non-existent for everyone now. Sheesh.
The U.S. govt. will work on the same model as all the VAT tax countries are following.
Not if we don't want it to, and certainly not under the FairTax bill that is in front of Congress.
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