Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right
Could you understand "requisite" better???
Well, we certainly hope you enjoy the Income Tax while it lasts - shouldn't be much longer.
Be sure and pull the top of the hole in after yourself.
Sorry, nightie, I get to post as often (and as much) as I wish. It nowhere says that nightie gets to determine that.
The fact that you can't keep your mental faculties together sufficiently long to read a post that tears your presentation apart does not surprise. That shouldn't stop you since it never has before - keep right on lying, my man.
It sounds like NIPA does not try to make adjustments for unreported services. So I don't think those numbers are in the NIPA tables.The NIPA Personal Consumption Expenditure numbers appear to be taken from a range of surveys and censuses.
Data for the PCE is collected from numerous surveys and censuses. Most items of the PCE use a residual approach. In general, the BEA uses the Census of Manufactures (CM) and Annual Survey of Manufactures (ASM) to obtain the basic value of shipments, the Census of Wholesale Trade (CWT) and Annual Wholesale Trade Survey (AWTS) to derive wholesale trade margins and taxes, the Census of Retail Trade (CRT) and Annual Retail Trade Survey (ARTS) to obtain retail trade margins and taxes, and the Census of Service Industries (CSI) and Service Annual Surveys. The BEA also adds transportation costs using data from the Interstate Commerce Commission, the Department of Transportation, and the Census Bureau's Census of Transportation, Communications, and Utilities, to arrive at the final purchasers’ value. The data sources and methodologies differ slightly between benchmark years (years ending in "2" or "7") and non-benchmark years (years between the benchmark years). The economic censuses are used in the benchmark estimates, while the annual survey data are used in extrapolations to estimate PCE for the non-benchmark years.
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Fascinating - nice diversion!!!
Next, why not try the "Manufacturing Difficulties Involved in Spooling Toilet Paper Onto Household-sized Rolls". It is equally informative and probably on the BEA website. If not, check the Census Bureas website, or the NAM webbsite or ...
an evader would have to be an utter fool to think the FairTax is "better" for him
That is obvious in looking over past replies through many tax related theads including those of tax protestors.
Have yet to see ardent TP'rs claim anything other than an NRST will be Amegeddon and the end of the world.
GEE - wonder why that might be??? Cause it puts them out of business??
Sounds like nobody gives a rat about the fair tax, huh YN? tick,tick,tick...
they sound a bit like democrats when they due this
They ought to, most of the tactics and material they use are right out of liberal hitpieces and talking points against NRST, and NRST supporting candidates and Congressional representatives going back into the Clinton adminstration.
Always found the overwhelming absense of Democrats as co-sponsors on the FairTax legislation to be an interesting side note on how hung up they really are in keeping the income/payroll tax system inplace.
I suspect that factor alone will ultimately be one of the prime factors leading to loss of socialist representation Congress.
Fascinating - nice diversion!!!LOL! The fact that the FairTax base doesn't include evasion or avoidance is a diversion!
No one except you ever claimed that the FairTax ever included or "dealt" with evasion (avoidance is a different thing) except, perhaps, you, making up your straw man that it didn't so was somehow faulty. The IT "deals" with evasion the same way as the FairTax - by not including it.
Posting all that trash about where it's data came from is a HUGE waste of bandwidth. It would really be funny if it did contain data about evasion hidden away in some nook and cranny. Hoewever no one cares enough to even research that - and it's not the point in any event.
Point is, moron, that the greatly higher rate structure of the IT encourages evasion far more than the lower FairTax rate ... and that's precisely what I illustrated in #1114 just above. You may not be capable of reading it but others certainly will be.
The last thing those on the left want is a level playing field. If they didn't have the "Bush" tax cuts to rail about they would be left with "Bush lied, people died". The left is addicted to the power to tax as much as a crack head is addicted to his drug. The fair tax takes away too much from them. All of you anti's hear me. The left is on your side.
pd, you are right. The evasion issue should be a non-starter for these guys but they hang on to it like a twig on a cliff. For pete's sake, in most instances it takes two people to evade the fair tax. If we tweak the law a bit, making a business license something more important than it is now and putting an onus on sellers that they have to check those licenses, the evasion issue will be almost moot compared to what we have now.
I think most of them know that as a lot of them are FROM the left. A few are even involved with liberal think tanks in one way or another. It's especially fun to hear from them.
We're just equal-opportunity taker-oners here.
With less to gain under the FairTax and with the ability to concentrate more collection resources on a smaller number of taxpayers, an evader would have to be an utter fool to think the FairTax is "better" for himI have a service business and the fairtax would be a huge gain for me should I choose to evade the tax. First of all initially I would have to RAISE my rate the amount of the tax just to break even, that would be a 30% (not 23%) increase in my gross. Me, the business owner being required by law to give a receipt to everyone who is NOT required to keep them or even allowed to write off my expense would be a HUGE incentive for services to evade the fairtax...I have to give a receipt to everyone who has no use for one..BFD!
What were you thinking Lapdog?
Ever notice how quiet they are about the illegal alien portion of the underground economy???
That's many billions of $$$ evaded right there in one fell swoop. Throw in the foreigh tourists (about 50 million in CA last year according to one article I saw), and pretty soon you have some big bux - all being evaded and/or not paid right now. It would be tax revenue under the FairTax.
Everyone reading the thread gets that.
THe maximum marginal rate is 23%. That's much lower than the income tax...flat or graduated.
The fair tax is simple and easy to comply with. The income tax - either flat or graduated - is arbitrary and nonsensical, confusing and very difficult to understand.
The fair tax is fair, treats all legal residents the same. As for illegals, they always pay the maximum rate. THe income tax is obviously not viewed as fair by anyone.
Lower marginal rates, easy to understand, and fair.... the 3 components most affecting tax cheating.
It's also harder to get away with cheating under the fair tax.
But it's been amusing watching someone try to put forth the idea that the rate is too low b/c the calculation of rate did not take evasion into account. We all know it does - it expects the same amount of evasion as we're experiencing now.
Odd though at times the income tax fanatic marxist kool aid drinking income taxers swear up and down that the rate is too high... and later on the thread they swear up and down the rate is too low.
It's pretty funny to watch them melt.
They must be really worried about the end of their socialist tool. ANd some are worried that they'll actually have to start paying their fair share of our nation's tax burden.
The thing that scares them most is that the millions of people backing the nrst will not stop until the income tax is gone. It doesn't matter if it takes another 11 years - or 11 more. The number of people signing on is ever increasing.
Pass the kleenex to the socialists.
You will go out of business then. It would be pretty stupid to raise your prices when none of your competitors do so. I own a service business too - you aren't the only one.
BTW the tax would be 23% (not 30%) of your gross.
Great Looey - go ahead. You're probably doing it right now since we know of your Tax Protester alliances. You'll find out under the FairTax you'll make a lot less in evasion than you do now (and have a greater chance of bein nailed).
Be sure to post your name and address so we can turn you in and help lower the FairTax rate. Always thot you sounded a bit criminal ... nobody ever said you had to be smart to be crooked and you're the living proof.
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