Plagued by curse of the Pharaoh

Malaysia Star ^ | 6/8/05 | Malaysia Star

[wagglebee]

When a woman in Canada refused to return a valuable statue to the Cairo Museum, Dr Zahi Hawass, who was handling the negotiation, casually mentioned a curse said to be associated with the artifact. The next day the statue duly arrived at the Egyptian embassy in Canada.

A lot of Canadians will fall for anything.

[wagglebee]

GGG Ping!

[Eastbound]

"Dr Zahi Hawass, who was handling the negotiation, casually mentioned a curse said to be associated with the artifact"

Sly old bugger. Heh. But I still believe the Sphynx was eroded by water more than anything else.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Waggs. Gotta love Hawass -- to "test" for noxious gases, he uses a candle. Welcome to the 21st century, eh? ;')

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[dixie sass]

I disagree, wind and sand erosion is more likely.

[Xenalyte]

I've always felt bad for Lord Carnarvon. He never got to see the full glory of what he helped discover.

I also never knew until quite recently that he and Howard Carter and two other members of their party actually entered Tut's tomb the night they discovered it, and pretty much scoped out the whole thing. They kept a very good secret for a very long time.

[Eastbound]

Okay, wind and sand. But it still looks like water erosion.

[SunkenCiv]

Yes, it was water erosion. Wind and sand erosion on everything but the head was impossible for most of the years regarded as the Sphinx' existence, because the Sphinx was covered up to the neck in sand. This was the case (according to Thutmose IV's "Dream Stele" erected between the paws) even in Egyptian New Kingdom times. The head is the least eroded part of the Sphinx.

[SunkenCiv]

Here's another NickCarraway-posted topic regarding Tut:

BOOK FEATURE: The man who really found Tutankhamen (British Corporal Spy)
Middle East Times/World peace Times | March 31, 2005 | Desmond Zwar
Posted on 03/31/2005 1:45:59 PM PST by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1374884/posts

[Eastbound]

Hmmmm. If there was water and wind, there must have been rain as well. What goes up must come down. A plausible counter-argument against the 'vapor-only-in-the-atmosphere-prior-to-the-flood' folks to consider. I doubt if aquifification alone could have caused that kind of erosion, or even the normal tidal motion of the waters.

[SunkenCiv]

Yes, rain. The erosion was caused by water in the form of rain.

[Ciexyz]

I wouldn't put it past the old mummy to be pulling strings in the world beyond.

[cats2dogs]

Do you think that the Sphinx is 5,000 years older than is stated, like Professor Shoch (sp) thinks. He also thinks the head was originaly a lions head.

[ken21]

you goin to the king tut show?

[SunkenCiv]

cats2dogs: Do you think that the Sphinx is 5,000 years older than is stated, like Professor Shoch (sp) thinks. He also thinks the head was originaly a lions head.

Schoch thinks the Sphinx enclosure (the front part of it) was exposed to rainfall for thousands of years, making it much older than circa 2500 BC. I'm not aware that he has given any specific date for it, although he has assigned a range of years which depend of course on the end of the wetter period (in which rainfall would have occurred). The head on the Great Sphinx is out of scale compared with the scale used on other Egyptian Sphinxes. Also, the head was exposed to wind erosion for a much longer time than the body could have been, since the body has spent most of the last 4500 years covered in sand.

One limiting factor for Schoch's model is the erosion (type and degree) on supposedly similarly dated construction, mostly nearby. One difference between the (Schoch's example) 2nd dynasty monuments at Saqqara and those at Giza is that they're mostly mudbrick; the difference in miles isn't very large, so if the rainfall was hitting the Sphinx and enclosure to cause the erosion, it would have to predate the 2nd dynasty. The rainfall which damaged the Sphinx would have pretty much destroyed the mudbrick pyramids.

The mudbrick pyramids and other structures of the much later Middle Kingdom were in large part located near Lake Fayyum, and mostly they're piles of rubble, although in Herodotus' time (2500 years ago) they were singularly impressive. This could mitigate either for or against the Schoch model, depending on whether one has read Herodotus and/or thinks that the occasional rainfall (which is typically very light, but the runoff is heavy) since the Old Kingdom was sufficient to produce the results on the Sphinx and its enclosure regardless of the fact that the statue was buried up to its neck in sand (Herodotus doesn't mention the Sphinx).

The earliest date offered by conventional Egyptologists would probably be that of Rainer Stadelmann, who dates the Sphinx to the reign of Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramid, and father to Khafre. Another Egyptologist attributes the Sphinx to Djedjefre, successor of Khufu, brother and predecessor to Khafre, but that one doesn't make sense to me, because Djedjefre picked Abu Roash as the site of his pyramid.

ken21: you goin to the king tut show?

That would be nice, but I guess I'll wait and see. I checked into it a while back, but don't recall offhand what the itinerary is. I think I saved the file though, and/or posted a link around here somewhere. It's tough to keep track of stuff on a forum with 100s of 1000s of threads, eh? :')

[CJ Wolf]

Where Tut will be: http://www.kingtut.org/venues.htm

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks! Looks like I'll be going to the Field next year (where the "Treasures of a King" exhibition lit almost 30 years ago) or to Philadelphia in 2007. :')

[CJ Wolf]

I'm thinking philly (unless I get some work travel in)

[WKUHilltopper]

Pffft!

This is about the same line they used to get them to buy into nationized medicine! They'll fall for anything up there!

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/index.html

Today's Headlines
July 22, 2005
by Jessica E. Saraceni
Archaeology

"This brief history of the famous bust of Nefertiti discovered in Egypt by German archaeologists in 1912 marks its return to the Berlin Egyptian Museum. The article neglects to mention that the government of Egypt has recently demanded the return of the Queen."

Queen Nefertiti moves to her new digs
July 22 2005 at 11:32AM
By Ernest Gill
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=14&click_id=418&art_id=qw1121747766793T614